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NN vs Gioachino Greco
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 13
Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  0-1

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Dec-15-04  aw1988: I've played this as black before.
Feb-17-05  InspiredByMorphy: 9. ...Nxf2 is a deep sacrifice. Is it sound? Im not sure what the correct plan of action for white is but 10.Bxd8 doesent look like the best move.
Feb-18-05  InspiredByMorphy: 9. ...Nxf2 is sound.
Aug-05-05  elh: Well, if NN takes the knight, Greco gets it back with interest after dc+ kf1, bc, and white has lost the exchange even if he grabs the Queen -- ba=Q and she lives again.
Aug-05-05  dbquintillion: <Inspired> I like how you took one day to think about it and concluded that Nxf2 was sound.
Dec-15-05  Andre Klein Hulse: Greetings from Holland and a very nice christmass to everybody.

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Dec-15-05  RookFile: Greco must have been a very smart guy. He's playing master level chess at a time when there wasn't any theory or chess books.
Jul-05-07  TheaN: Chessgames is weird at times.

Q-sac: 9. Nxf2??. That's not true. At most it's a N-sac, but that, as said leads to the rooktrap after dxc3+ and cxb2 which just leaves black an exchange up. Actually, 10.Bxd8 dxc3+ is at most the Q-sac of black, not the move earlier.

Jul-10-07  TheaN: In addition: in some occasions, posting a 'sacrifice' is weird as it leads to a completely forced mate. Here, however, the Queen is just not sacrificed on move 10.Bxd8? Nxd1. After 10.Kxf2 dxc3+ 11.Kf1 cxb2 12.Bxd8 bxa1Q, a N-sac leads to a forced win of exchange.
Sep-30-07  wolfmaster: What about 10.Bxf7+? 10...Kxf7 11.Qb3+ and 12.Bxd8. 10...Kh8 or Kf8 11.Bxd8 Nxd1 12.Bxe8 and White is alright, right?
Oct-01-07  oxxo: 10 Bxf7+ Kh8 and black is still better apparently

10.Bxf7+ Kh8 -0.25/11 35 11.Qb3 dxc3 -0.53/10 4 12.Bxd8 cxb2 -0.31/11 16 13.Qxb2 Nd3+ -0.88/11 2 14.Kf1 Nxb2 -0.69/13 8 15.Bxe8 b6 -1.50

Jan-28-08  wolfmaster: 11.Kh1 might have saved NN.
May-28-08  Halofire: I think a better plan of development for white(and it would be a more aggressive option as well) would be on move 7. Instead of wasting the intiative and giving black more use for his move Re8, it should go 7.b4(similar to the Evans Gambit)Bb6 8.Qb3 then black's responses become very limited. The only real viable options are 8.Qe6 and 8.Re6. Any other options lead to a loss in tempii for black. If played this way white gains a tempo when he plays d4 after 8.Qe6 or 8.Re6.
Jan-24-12  Knight13: <wolfmaster: 11.Kh1 might have saved NN.> You are right. It is certainly better than what NN played.

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