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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous game (1620), ?, rd 23
King Pawn Game: La Bourdonnais Gambit (C40)  ·  1-0



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Jul-26-04  Lawrence: Hi, <Funkytrip>, welcome. <can't see more than 1 move ahead> That's why a CD like CT Art 3.0 is so good, it teaches you (forces you!) to look ahead a move or two--or three. Even if you only ever managed to get good at the first group--Elo 1600--that would be a great step forward.
Sep-14-04  Knight13: Black should take the rook with his queen and avoid mate. But that's not a really good idea.
Oct-12-04  InspiredByMorphy: <zb2cr> I agree that NN's play is pretty fishy. As you pointed out, how could NN see the consequences of 5. ...Kxf7 but not mate in one after 7. ...Kd8?? Strange indeed.
Oct-26-04  Knight13: Here are the "what?!" and mistaken moves: 3. Qg6?!, 4. Qxe4??. If 5... Kxf7? 6. Ng5+, forking the King and the Queen.
Dec-06-04  drukenknight: Blacks Wandering queen attack. Have you ever met any jerks on ICC who play this on you and beat you with it? There is some jerk out there who beats me with this all the time but a few minutes ago I finally win one in the opening, not the best play but it illustrates some of the resources white has at his disposal including: N forks, d pawn advance, B/N battery on Q, etc.

1 e4 e5
2. Nf3 Qf6
3. Nc3 c6
4. d4 exd4
5. Bg5 (I didnt know it but Morphy had got to this move but did something else)

5... Qg6
6. Qxd4 f6
7. Be3 c5
8. Qd1 d6
9. Nb5 Na6
10. Nh4 (forgetting to capture in the middle what can I say?)

10... Qxe4
11. Nf3 Qb4+
12. Bd2 Qxb2? (too funny)
13. Bc3! and he played on and on in this, but I finally won...

Jan-10-05  drukenknight: King's Knight, Wandering Queen opening. once again, I run into that guy who plays this, this time he has improvement on move 4 or at least something different than the one above. I regret posting this w/o comments, I had plugged it into the crap pc earlier but dont have my notes. I think the mistakes are evident, but feel free to ask...

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Qf6
3. Nc3 c6
4. d4 d6
5. Bg5 Qg6
6. dxe5 f6
7. exf6 Nxf6
8. Bd3 h6
9. e5 Qf7
10. Bd2 Qe6
11. Bg6+ Kd8
12. O-O Nfd7
13. Bfd3 Nxe5
14. Nxe5 dxe5
15. Bc4 Qxc4
16. Bg5+ Ke8
17. Qd8+ Kf7
18. Qxc8 Qb4
19. a3 Qxb2
20. Ne4 hxg5
21. Rab1 Bxa3
22. Qxh8 Qxc2
23. Rxb7+ Be7
24. Qh7 Qa2
25. Nxg5+ Kf6 and 1-0 soon after

Feb-09-05  InspiredByMorphy: <drukenknight> I look forward to checking out your games when I have a moment.
Feb-09-05  InspiredByMorphy: 5. ...Kd8 was the correct move. Now when white plays 6.Re1 Qg4 7.Rxe5 black can answer with 7. ...Nf6 Of course white still has a superior position.
Oct-28-05  DeepBlade: I am still waiting for a fellow woodpusher to take the e4 pawn, and then I will launch the Crazy Bishop Sacrifice. Black gets forked or gets mated.
Nov-23-05  Chopin: This game is fishy indeed. I don't understand why doesn't NN take the bishop on f7 instead of moving to d8.
Nov-27-05  DeepBlade: <Chopin> If the King takes the Bishop, White will fork with Ng5. So look at move number 5.
Nov-27-05  alicefujimori: I think <Chopin> meant why doesn't NN take the bishop on move 7 instead. Well, its NN we're talking about here and their strength tends to fluctuate according to the needs of the "great" players of the past.
Nov-27-05  DeepBlade: Here you go!

Greco vs NN, 1620

The King takes Bishop Variation, also played by Greco.

Nov-27-05  Chess Addict: Can the King not sidestep to f6 or d6 near the end?
Nov-28-05  DeepBlade: Analyzing it, but I guess moving the d pawn, discovered attack on the Queen unleashes a lot of trouble for Black, no matter where the King moves.
Apr-26-06  Summum Malum: why doesn't black play 7. .. Kf6 or Kd6??
Dec-08-06  Ch3ckmate: heh.. the NN guy had learnt the fork 5...KxB 6. Ng5+ from an earlier game in 1620, so he now play 5...Ke7 only to be mated a few moves later
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  blazerdoodle: Which is better? 3 Nc3, or 3 Bc4. Does it make any difference?
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  Eggman: 4.O-O was unnecessary. 4.d3 (4.Nc3 is also very good), saves both pawns, since 4...Qxg2? 5.Rg1 Qh3 6.Bxf7+ Ke7 7.Rg3 traps the Queen (SEE DIAGRAM), and after 7...Qxg3 8.hxg3 Kxf7 9.Nxe5+ White is doing well.

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Aug-31-07  likeisaid: Y NN move 7....Kd6 or even Kxf7 now Queen has moved???
Oct-01-07  wolfmaster: 4...d6 would have been much better.
Jan-28-08  wolfmaster: NN knows not to take the bishop, but still falls victim to Greco's traps.
Aug-24-10  asiduodiego: 7. ...,Kxf7? is no real alternative. After that comes.

8. Ng5+, Kf6
9. d4!, Qh4
10. Qf3+, Kg6
11. Qf7+, Kh6
12. Nf3+.

And, Black is doomed. Loses his queen and mate should follow soon enough.

(8..., Kg6 9. d4, Qh4 10. Qd3+, leads pretty much to the same)

Jul-05-13  tcfix: Blazerdoodle Kc3 is always better in the opinion of this novice. bc4 leads to too many repeat moves by the Bishop when you should be developing.
May-18-17  Yigor: A sequence of terrible moves by NN, especially when he accepted the La Bourdonnais gambit 4...Qxe4??
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