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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 31
Sicilian Defense: Wing Gambit (B20)  ·  1-0

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Aug-02-05  aw1988: Actually, this is very good for a Greco game. It looks much more modern compared to his other works.
Aug-05-05  Jaymthetactician: But I refuted Grecos line with my move order at around move 5 with 5...Qa5+, doesnt anyone see this gives advantage to black?
Aug-05-05  Runemaster: <Jaym> your analysis always depends on the "opponent" doing exactly what suits you, doesn't it?
Aug-06-05  Jaymthetactician: No, I believe thats what Greco would actually play, and the moves I give are the best ones.
Aug-07-05  who: Well Jaym, for one 7.Rxa3 wins a pawn back for white, though Fritz thinks 7.Qb3 is even better. And after your line 10.e5 seems about equal to me, as white gets back the a pawn and has a DOMINATING center in exchange for the other pawn.
Aug-08-05  Jaymthetactician: 7.Rxa3,Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2,Qxd2 9.Nxd2,Ne7 10.c5,0-0 11.Ngf3,Nbc6 Refutes Greco's 5.c4?? line 5.Bxa3 is better, and 5...Qh4! is also a viable option as after 6. Qd3 Nf6 7. Nc3 Ng4 8. g3 is also
Aug-14-05  who: <Jaymthetactician> I don't know why you don't like the position for white after 7.Rxa3,Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2,Qxd2 9.Nxd2,Ne7 10.c5,0-0 11.Ngf3,Nbc6. I'm looking at a chessboard with the position in front of me, and white seems to have ample compensation for the pawn. He controls the center, has more piece mobility and black needs to deal with a weak bishop for the rest of the game.
Aug-15-05  Jaymthetactician: I dont like white in any position in the 5.c4?? lines, but the line you give seems to be whites best I think. And I admit white has good compensation, though blacks passed a-pawn would suggest that this gambit in general, much less the 5.c4?? line, is totally unplayable for white, as no modern master would play this and for good reason.
Mar-20-06  goldenbear: <Jaymthetactician> The a-pawn!? The gambit is perfectly sound; despite what Madonna may think, time is of far more importance in chess and life than material.
Mar-20-06  goldenbear: For real, 2.b4 is all I play now. I have a perfect score with it in tournament play. (8-0)
Mar-20-06  MrMojoRisin: <goldenbear> <For real, 2.b4 is all I play now. I have a perfect score with it in tournament play. (8-0)> average rating of your opponents?
May-22-06  Runemaster: <goldenbear: <Jaymthetactician>... despite what Madonna may think, time is of far more importance in chess and life than material.>

Ah, so that's where the "tactician" got his analysis from.

May-24-06  goldenbear: <Jaymthetactician> 5.c4? is indeed dcisively bad. I think 5.f4!? is very interesting, maybe winning (a computer, naturally, will not see this), although any recapture on a3 is playable.
Sep-20-06  popski: <Jaymthegenius: Black should have won this!!! as IBM said 3...d5 is better, practically refutes wing gambit.> Yea, really? Maybe for you, but not for Bronstein! Check this wild game: Bronstein vs Deep Blue, 1996
Sep-28-06  goldenbear: I feel the need to point out that I like Madonna, though I'd say Stevie Nicks is my favorite female pop star.
Jan-01-07  Dr.Lecter: One of the lesser sacrifical Greco games...
Apr-23-07  Fourpointo: 30. Qg8+ Rxg8 31. Rxg8# is faster.
Nov-19-07  likestofork: OTB I played a patzer with no name,
Not smart enough to get out of the rain.....

Little known fact...Greco is Spanish for "chess-bully".

Jan-24-08  realbrob: Ok, let's consider the situation on the board after Greco's 13.Rd3. White has some spatial advantage, and a slight central dominance, things which happen very often when you play the Sicilian Defense. White has a bit more space and Black is looking for counterplay on the queenside.

The matter with what Greco has done is that Black has 2 solid passed pawns on the queenside, which are more than enough to win the endgame. If Black can develop his LSB and defend himself against brave but not very dangerous attacks on the kingside, then he's winning, I'm afraid.

24..Bd7? what a meaningless move..

Jun-22-11  Llawdogg: Nice queen sacrifice and very nice pawn checkmate!
Sep-17-11
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  kogyithaung: Once I try your guess the move, once I got my full lesson and enjoyment from all games. Thanks for your kind contributions. More knowledge to learn from you. Discussion later when I get improvement.

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Oct-23-14  Ke2: This game looks ridiculously modern.
Apr-13-17
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  Kent Swearingen: The guess-the-move for this game gives no points for 30.Qg8, which mates in two, instead of the mate in three by 30.Qg7.
May-07-17  Yigor: It's similar to the previous #33 Greco-NN game. Here Greco played 5. c4?! It looks great but, actually, it's between an inaccuracy and a mistake. The optimal move is 5. Nf3!
Oct-20-18
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  fearlessone: 30. Qg8 Rxg8 Rxg8 # is given no points for the mate in 2?!?! by the computer!
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