| Mar-14-04 | | drukenknight: a sicilian wing gambit from El greco. Is it more normal to capture w/ the B (Bxa3) in this? I know the game the other day white used the N. |
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Mar-22-04
 | | Gypsy: Greco \not= El Greco. |
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Mar-22-04
 | | tamar: <Gypsy> LOL El Greco would have played 2 b2-b6! the Elongated Wing Gambit. |
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Mar-22-04
| | Gypsy: Thank you, tamar. :-)) |
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| Feb-19-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: It seems as though black allows white to push the king knight around by playing 7. ...Nf6 instead of 7. ...Ne7 . I like how Greco plays 5.Bxa3 and after 6.Rxa3 lets his rook stay posted there for the rest of the game. |
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| Mar-19-05 | | Jaymthegenius: Isnt the wing gambit refuted by 3...d5 (I know I've won from this position before as white, though it was at a 10 minute time limit during a tournament in chess21.com, I posted it on Greco's page) Deep Shredder 9 coach say's "2.b2-b4 isnt a move Kasparov would play, Jay" or "2.b2-b4, you sure have nerves of steel!" arent you worried about youre pawn at b4? So this coach mode gives me the impression the wing gambit has been refuted. |
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| Apr-05-05 | | Swapmeet: Thw wing gambit might be weak, but you should never trust computers when it comes to any gambit position. |
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| Apr-05-05 | | azaris: Throw out the MCO, from now on all openings shall be evaluated by what Deep Shredder's coaching mode has to say about them. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | Jaymthegenius: Also in unorthodox chess openings, Schiller says "nothing comes out of the wing gambit exept for temporary custody of d4, and black has no trouble obtaining an advantage" |
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| Apr-09-05 | | azaris: <black has no trouble obtaining an advantage> is a common brush-off by people with no idea what they're talking about, but if you have some lines you'd like to present I'm open for suggestions. |
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Apr-09-05
 | | Eric Schiller: The game Lamothe vs. Garbett, Novi Sad Olympiad 1990 is not in the database here, but I can suggest Bronstein vs Benko, 1949 as a good example for how to play as Black. John Watson and I wrote that Black is better after move 16, in our Big Book of Busts (now available as Handbook of Tricky Opening Strategies).
You can comment on the cited game, I'll post more references to games I think show the Black side, and we can discuss them. |
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Apr-09-05
| | Eric Schiller: Unfortunately, many relevant games aren't in this database, but here are two that are also nice examples of how to play as Black:
H Huenerkopf vs Chandler, 1986
Alekhine vs Surber, 1933 |
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| Apr-19-05 | | azaris: 3. c4 is just rubbish, what is White going to do about his d-pawn? I also don't like dxe5 after Black plays d5, White shouldn't open things up when he hasn't developed properly yet. The only hope is that Black gets "creative" with the queen and loses time in the process. After the inevitable d5 White should play e5 and try to reach French type positions. Or then a transposition trick with 1. e4 c5 2. a3!? and many Black players will choose 2...Nc6 3. b4! when after 3...cxb4 4. axb4 Nxb4 5. c3 Nc6 6. d4 a favorable variation of the Wing Gambit has been reached, at least if you ask GM Nigel Davies (http://www.chesscafe.com/text/davie...). |
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| May-03-05 | | Jaymthegenius: azaris: 3. c4 is just rubbish, what is White going to do about his d-pawn? I also don't like dxe5 after Black plays d5, White shouldn't open things up when he hasn't developed properly yet. The only hope is that Black gets "creative" with the queen and loses time in the process Perhap's you wont like this game I've played a while ago [Event "Chess21"]
[Site "www.chess21.com"]
[Date "13-feb-2005 13:26:43"]
[White "jaymthegenius"]
[Black "ababneh"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2257"]
[BlackElo "2177"]
[TimeControl "10/0"]
1. e2-e4 c7-c5 2. b2-b4?! c5xb4 3. d2-d4 d7-d5 4. e4xd5 Qd8xd5 5. c2-c4 Qd5-e6?? (this block's the e-pawn and exposes the queen to danger) (what happened to bxc4 e.p ?) 6. Bc1-e3 Ng8-f6 7. Bf1-e2 g7-g6 8. Nb1-d2 Bf8-g7 9. Qd1-a4+ Bc8-d7 10. Qa4xb4 (winning the pawn with interest) 0-0 11. d4-d5 Qe6-e5 12. Ra1-c1 b7-b6 13. Ng1-f3 Qe5-c7 14. Qb4-a3 Nf6-g4 15. Be3-d4 e7-e5 16. d5-e6 Bd7xe6 17. Bd4xg7 Kg8xg7 18. Nf3-d4 Qc7-f4 19. Nd4xe6 f7xe6 (an isolated pawn, the opponent with such a weak position) 20. Qa3-f3 Ng4xf2?? (the jerk wants to pawn grab instead of trade queens which would be better then the game anyway), 21. Qf3xf4 Rf8xf4 22. 0-0 Rf4-d4 23. Be2-f3 Nf2-d3 24. Nd2-b3 (NOT Bxa8, mere material grabbing) Nd3xc1 25. Nb3xd4 Nb8-c6 26. Nd4xe6 Kg7-h6 27. g2-g4 g6-g5 28. Bf3-d1 Nc6xe5 29. Rf1-f6 Ne5-g6 30. h2-h4 1-0 There is a Russian saying (When forced between mate and material, take material becuase mate may not be there) Well, good thing i ignored this piece of advice, as taking the free knight would allow black a little annoying counterplay) |
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| May-03-05 | | azaris: <jaymthegenius> Not bad, but your opponent played trappy and anti-positional chess. Had he developed with greater care it might have been a different story. Of course I've also noticed playing the Wing Gambit and variants thereof that Black players forget harmonious development once they're a pawn up. |
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| May-07-17 | | Yigor: LoL Greco couldn't live without sacrifices, so the Wing gambit is just his natural approach to counter the Sicilian defense. ChessOK evaluations: 2...cxb4!? (Wing gambit, -0.26) 3. d4 (-0.33) e6 (-0.18) 4. a3 bxa3 (+0.00) 5. Bxa3 (-0.18). PSCC: 2Ec (Sicilian defense) --> 2BEc (Wing gambit) --> 6Bc3b*2E (Wing gambit accepted). |
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