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| Feb-17-18 | | Retireborn: Many thanks again, <MissS>. I believe this game is from the match, but would like to know more. I assumed Reti's annotations were from one of his books, but I'm probably wrong about that. Perhaps I'll splash out on Jimmy Adams' book. |
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Feb-17-18
 | | MissScarlett: Are you aware the GM Istvan Bilek had an article, <Breyer's Brilliancy>, in the August 1987 <BCM>? Nothing in particular is said about the circumstances of the game, but there's an editorial footnote: <Ken Whyld has checked contemporary German sources and established that 18.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Bxg6 was the actual move order. Hence Reti seems the source of the error when transcribing the game.> So apparently there's an issue, at least, between the German and English versions of Reti's book (I'm not well versed in the classics), but for our purposes, the game was published in contemporary sources. The only problem is finding some non-idle German-speaker to track one down for you. Good luck with that! |
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Feb-17-18
 | | Telemus: <Retireborn: I believe this game is from the match> Why? In fact, it comes from a tournament. And it was published in several chess magazines in those days. Here you find it reprinted from "Deutsches Wochenschach": https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=... (incomplete game-score). The game J Esser vs Breyer, 1916 can be found here: https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=... (1916 seems to be wrong). |
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| Feb-17-18 | | Retireborn: <MissS> Thanks again. No, never seen Bilek's article, my source for the game was some fireside anthology book, edited by Edwards(?) as I recall. I did later see a more complete and correct version of the game, which I associate with Hans Ree, although my memory has not retained any details. <Telemus> Many thanks to you too. I think my original source must have referred to it as part of the match. So if I understand your link correctly it's from the 5-payer Budapest tournament held in July 1917? That's already most of what I wanted to know. |
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Feb-17-18
| | MissScarlett: Reti's text is online: http://www.openchessbooks.org/reti-... Interesting that already by August 1918 (<Deutsches Wochenschach>) this game is being presented as a truncated masterpiece. |
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Feb-18-18
| | Telemus: <Retireborn: So if I understand your link correctly it's from the 5-payer Budapest tournament held in July 1917?> Yes, both games are from this event. |
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Feb-25-18
| | Telemus: Chapter 17 "An immortal game" of Jimmy Adams' book on Breyer deals with this game on 20 pages. First, the game is presented with the combined comments of Reti (from Modern Ideas in Chess), Földeak (Magyar Sakkélet), Coles (Dynamic Chess) and Breyer (Bécsi Magyar Ujság). Then it follows an analysis by Ervin Haág (Magyar Sakkélet). Next is an article of Mark Dvoretsky (64), and finally there is an article by István Bilek (Magyar Sakktörténet). |
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| Feb-25-18 | | Retireborn: <Telemus> Thanks for that. Do any of these writers mention the round number of the game, by any chance? |
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Feb-26-18
| | Telemus: <Retireborn> Chapter 16 "Creative competition in Budapest" presents Breyer's other games from the tournament. It begins with the following sentence: "A further small double round tournament in Budapest, starting on 29 May 1917 but with games being played rather randomly over the summer, ended: [...]" Then 6 games are presented, 5 with exact dates, no round numbers (Breyer won his first game against Barács by default). The games are presented in this order:
Sterk(W), Barácz (W), Havasi(B), Havasi(W), Esser (W) and Sterk(B). Probably not enough to compute round numbers. This game is dated July 1917 in chapter 17. |
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| Feb-26-18 | | Retireborn: <Telemus> Many thanks! I won't worry about round numbers then. |
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Sep-07-18
 | | HeMateMe: Caught in a breyer patch! |
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Sep-07-18
| | HeMateMe: Ah, the days romantic gambit chess. Back in the days when a Paul Morphy could take on all comers, then later draw a warm bath and put on some silk nylons. |
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| Sep-07-18 | | cormier: <<<<<<Stockfish 8 (minimum 30s/ply)> 5... Bd6?> 5...dxc4 6.Bxc4 b5 7.Bd3 Bb7 8.Ne4 Nbd7 9.Nxf6+ = 0.00 (28 ply)> 6. f4?> 6.Nf3 Nbd7 7.e4 dxe4 8.Nxe4 Nxe4 9.Bxe4 Nf6 10.Bc2 + / = +0.78 (19 ply)> 6... O-O = -0.40 (32 ply) after 6...c5 7.Nf3 O-O 8.O-O dxc4 9.Bxc4 a6 10.e4 cxd4> |
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| Sep-07-18 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4
6...c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.Nf3 dxc4 9.Bxc4 Qxd1+ 10.Nxd1 0-0 11.Nf2 Nc6 12.Bd2 b6 13.a3 a5 14.Nd3 Be7 15.0-0 Rd8 16.Rac1 Bb7 17.Rfd1 Ne4 18.Bb5 Rac8 19.Nf2 Na7 20.Rxc8 Rxc8
= (-0.06) Depth: 24 dpa |
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| Mar-16-19 | | drdos7: As was pointed out by many on this board 14.Kf1 does not win because 14...Qe8! holds the position
click for larger view However, Stockfish says that 14.Bd2! wins
here is the analysis after thinking for 68 hours: Stockfish_19030520_x64_bmi2:
64/115 68:32:31 6,448,922,912k 26,135k +3.65 1.Bc1-d2 Qd8-e8 2.Nc3-e4 Nb8-d7 3.Ne4-g3 f7-f5 4.g5xf6/ep Rf8xf6 5.e5xf6 Be7xf6 6.Qd1- e2 Qe8-f7 7.Ng3-e4 Nd7-f8 8.Ne4xf6+ Qf7xf6 9.Qe2-e5 a7-a5 10.Bb1-c2 b5 -b4 11.Rh1-h3 Ra8-a7 12.O-O-O Ra7-h7 13.Rh3xh7 Nf8xh7 14.Qe5-b8 Qf6-f8 15.Kc1-b1 c4-c3 16.Bd2-c1 c3xb2 17.Kb1xb2 Nh7-f6 18.Bc2xg6 Bc8-d7 19.Qb8-a7 Qf8-d8 20.g2-g4 Bd7-e8 21.Bg6xe8 Nf6xe8 22.Rd1-h1 Ne8-g7 23.Kb2-a1 Nd5-c3 24.f4-f5 Nc3-b5 25.Qa7-b7 e6xf5 26.Qb7xc6 Nb5-c3 27.g4xf5 Qd8-d5 28.Qc6xd5+ Nc3xd5 29.Rh1-f1 Kg8-f7 30.Bc1-g5 a5-a4 31.Ka1-b2 Ng7-e8 32.Rf1-c1 Ne8-d6 33.Rc1-c5 Nd5-c3 34.Rc5-c7+ Kf7-e8 35.Rc7-e7+ Ke8-f8 36.f5-f6 Nd6-f5 37.Re7-a7 a4-a3+ 38.Kb2-b3 Nf5xd4+ 39.Kb3-c4 Nd4-f5 40.Kc4xb4 Nc3xa2+ 41.Kb4xa3 Na2-c3 42.Ka3-b2 |
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| Mar-27-19 | | srinterdimensional9: Why didn't Breyer just sacrifice the bishop on g6 instead of Kf1(move 14)? That seems completely winning to me! |
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| Jan-04-20 | | WorstPlayerEver: 14. Bd2 Kg7= |
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| Feb-08-20 | | Kingpin1965: 14. Bd2 Kg7?? just loses. A mate in 15 moves.
Yes,drdos7 is correct. Bd2!! is the winning move! Kf1? is a error and only draws with best play. |
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| Feb-18-21 | | newzild: <srinterdimensional9> 14. Kf1? is an absolutely brilliant move, even though modern computers say it is an error. The point is that White must play his pawn to g6 as part of his attack. This allows Black to play Bh4+ with check, providing time and space to organise a defence with his queen. In the actual game, this occurs after 22. g6. If White's king were still on e1, Black could play 22...Bh4+ followed by 23...Qe7. |
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| May-08-21 | | cormier: SF Depth 43
0.00 24....Kg8 25.Qg6+ Kh8 26.f5 Qg8 27.Qh5+ Qh7 28.Qe8+ Qg8 #24 24....Kf8 25.f5 Bh4 26.Ba3+ b4 27.Bxb4+ c5 28.Bxc5+ Kg8 29.Qg6+ Kh8 30.Qh6+ Kg8 31.f6 Qd7 32.Qg6+ Kh8 #11 24....Kg7 25.f5 exf5 26.Bh6+ Kh8 27.e6 Qg8 28.Bf4+ Qh7 29.Qe8+ Bf8 30.Qxf8+ Qg8 31.Qh6+ Qh7 32.Be5+ Kg8 |
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| May-08-21 | | cormier: SF Depth 38
-2.07 <15....Qe8> 16.a4 Kg7 17.axb5 Rh8 18.Rxh8 Qxh8 19.Be4 Qh1+ 20.Ke2 Qxd1+ 21.Kxd1 Bb7 22.Rb1 a5 23.bxa6 Bxa6 0.00 15....a5 16.Qf3 Kg7 17.Rh7+ Kxh7 18.Qh5+ Kg8 19.Bxg6 fxg6 20.Qxg6+ Kh8 21.Qh6+ Kg8 |
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| May-08-21 | | cormier: <if 15...Qe8> SF Depth 35
-1.07 16.Kf2 Kg7 17.Be4 Rh8 18.g4 Nd7 19.Bxc6 Rb8 20.Be3 b4 21.Qf3 bxc3 22.d5 Bf8 23.Rxh8 Rb2+ 24.Kg3 -1.18 16.g4 Kg7 17.f5 exf5 18.gxf5 Bxf5 19.Bxf5 gxf5 20.Rh6 Rh8 21.Qh5 Nd7 22.Bf4 Rxh6 23.Qxh6+ Kg8 24.e6 -1.30 16.Be4 Kg7 17.g4 Rh8 18.Kf2 Nd7 19.Bxc6 Rb8 20.Be3 b4 21.Qf3 bxc3 22.d5 Rb2+ 23.Kg3 Bf8 24.Rxh8 -1.54 16.Bd2 Kg7 17.Kf2 Rh8 18.g4 Rxh1 19.Qxh1 Kg8 20.Bc2 Qf8 21.Qf3 Qg7 22.Rh1 Nd7 23.f5 exf5 24.gxf5 -2.07 16.a4 Kg7 17.axb5 Rh8 18.Rxh8 Qxh8 19.Be4 Qh1+ 20.Ke2 Qxd1+ 21.Kxd1 Bb7 22.Rb1 a6 23.bxa6 Bxa6 24.Bf3 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bd3 Bd6 6.f4 O-O 7.Nf3 dxc4 8.Bb1 b5 9.e4 Be7 10.Ng5 h6 11.h4 g6 12.e5 hxg5 13.hxg5 Nd5 14.Kf1 Nxc3 15.bxc3 <...Qe8> |
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| May-08-21 | | cormier: <if 15...Qe8> SF Depth 42
-0.50 16.Kf2 Kg7 17.g4 Rh8 18.Be4 Na6 19.Bd2 Rb8 20.Qf3 b4 21.f5 exf5 22.gxf5 gxf5 23.e6 fxe4 24.Rxh8 -0.50 16.g4 Kg7 17.Kf2 Rh8 18.Be4 Na6 19.Bd2 Rb8 20.Qf3 b4 21.f5 exf5 22.gxf5 gxf5 23.e6 fxe4 24.Rxh8 |
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| May-08-21 | | cormier: SF Depth 43
0.00 14....Nxc3 15.Qg4 Kg7 16.Rh7+ Kxh7 17.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Bxg6 fxg6 19.Qxg6+ Kh8 20.Qh6+ Kg8 0.00 14....Qe8 15.Ne4 Nd7 16.Qd2 Qd8 17.g4 Kg7 18.f5 exf5 19.gxf5 gxf5 20.Rh7+ Kxh7 21.g6+ Kg8 22.Qh6 fxg6 |
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| May-08-21 | | cormier: SF Depth 41
0.00 14.Qg4 Kg7 15.Nxd5 cxd5 16.Rh7+ Kxh7 17.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Bxg6 fxg6 19.Qxg6+ Kh8 20.Qh6+ Kg8 0.00 14.Nxd5 cxd5 15.Qf3 Kg7 16.Rh7+ Kxh7 17.Qh5+ Kg8 18.Bxg6 fxg6 19.Qxg6+ Kh8 20.Qh6+ Kg8 |
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