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Howard Staunton vs NN
Casual game (1841), London ENG
Scotch Game: Scotch Gambit. Dubois Reti Defense (C44)  ·  1-0



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Mar-22-07  Autoreparaturwerkbau: 18.Ng6+ ... what's that sac all about? And why is it rejeczed?
Mar-22-07  sambo: Ah, I applaud NN here! if accepted, 18. Ng6+ leads to 18...fxg6 19. Qd6 [moves the rook or defends it with Bc5] 20. Qxg6 [anything] 21. Qh7#

Very nice

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  keypusher: How about some applause for Staunton? That's a great combination!
Mar-23-07  sambo: Frankly, I expect this from Staunton against NN. But for NN to avoid the bait, well, all I'm saying is, NN doesn't get enough applause.
Mar-23-07  Assassinater: <Ah, I applaud NN here! if accepted, 18. Ng6+ leads to 18...fxg6 19. Qd6 [moves the rook or defends it with Bc5] 20. Qxg6 [anything] 21. Qh7#>

What's wrong with 19... Rxf3? Sure, 20. Qg6 Kg8 21. Qh7+ leads to some dancing by the king but after all, white only has a bishop and a queen on the attack and he's down two pieces. What am I missing?

Mar-23-07  sambo: <What's wrong with 19... Rxf3?> Hm. Must say I didn't see that, and don't have an answer right away. That's a good point. At first glance I thought 20. Qxg6 Kg8 21. Qe8 was mate, but the rook can interpose. Perhaps Staunton and NN both overlooked it? I'll try and analyze further later. (fyi, I don't have a strong engine, so I can't really do it that way; if someone else does, feel free to post it).
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  keypusher: I don't see anything better than 21. Qh7+ Kf8 22. Bg6, but then Black has 22...Rf7. White can try 23. Re3 with the idea of 24. Bxf7 Rxf7 25. Rf3+, but it doesn't look very convincing. So maybe neither Staunton nor NN deserve applause?
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  MissScarlett: Game given in the <ILN> of October 20th 1855, p.483, as: <An instructive Game played between Mr. Staunton and a Celebrity of the Metropolitan circle.> How this became <Simul (1841)> is anybody's guess.

Of the position after <18.Ng6+>, we have <a situation of singular interest and difficulty, and the question whether Black could safely take the Kt has been much controverted - our own opinion is that he could, although the correct defence afterwards is one which demands the utmost care and circumspection.>

Staunton gives: <18...fxg6 19.Qd6 (19.Nh4 Bc5 (best) 20.Nxg6+ Kg8 21.Nxf8 Bxf8) Rxf3 20.Qxg6 Kg8 21.Qe8+ Rf8 22.Qg6 Rf7> but in neither case is the verdict entirely clear - <enables Black to save the game...again, we apprehend, Black would escape>.

Mar-03-21  Jean Defuse: ...

ChessBase give 'Staunton sim 1841' as in many games of Staunton against NN.

JWD 03127 give (no simul) but also the year 1841 ...


Jun-23-21  mulde: Very nice played by "Shakespeare" Staunton (1819 - 1874) who may be (the best and) most underestimated player of all times. He was the first "theoretican", and couldn't use only one elucidation of any predecessor. In some campaign he was demolished in oublic when he, an old and ill man, refused to match Paul Morphy, and "the world" uses to disdain Howie since today. Yes, he was choleric, and he might be unsympathic like Kasparov, and crazy Curt von Bardeleben - but there have been a kot of players with strange characters (hello Mr. Alekhine, and Bitvinik, and Fischer!), and we don't use to blame them every time yet. No, Staunton was one of the strongest players of all time, developing new strategies, openings, ...
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  MissScarlett: <Staunton (1819 - 1874)> This is pure trolling now. I will not be mocked!
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  keypusher: < MissScarlett....
Staunton gives: <18...fxg6 19.Qd6 (19.Nh4 Bc5 (best) 20.Nxg6+ Kg8 21.Nxf8 Bxf8) Rxf3 20.Qxg6 Kg8 21.Qe8+ Rf8 22.Qg6 Rf7> but in neither case is the verdict entirely clear - <enables Black to save the game...again, we apprehend, Black would escape>.>

I checked SF -- Staunton is losing after 22.Qg6 Qe2 23.Rae1 Qg4.

18.Ng5 Qc5 19.Qd3 would have won.

The moral, as always, is to put no stock in the fancy words of puny hu-mans. AlphaZero vs Stockfish, 2018 (kibitz #2)

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  MissScarlett: < How this became <Simul (1841)> is anybody's guess.>

The game is from 1841, after all. It's in the first volume of the <Chess Player's Chronicle>, p.354, against the same opponent as NN vs Staunton, 1841. By the mid 1850s, Staunton must have been more out of the loop than I thought.

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