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NN vs Gioachino Greco
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 33
Sicilian Defense: McDonnell Attack (B21)  ·  0-1



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Aug-29-04  morphy234: 4. Nh6???? What's the point of that?

Couldn't he move it to f6 instead...?

Nov-19-04  Jaymthegenius: 4...Nf6 5.e5,Ng4 6.exd6,exd6 and black has a tougher game
Feb-04-05  InspiredByMorphy: <Jayme> 4. ...Nf6 5.e5 d5 6.exf6 dxc4 seems to give black a good position.
Feb-18-05  InspiredByMorphy: 4. ...Nh6 puzzles me. 9.g4 would have made an effort to take advantage of the knight on the wing. 10.g5 is threatened when the knight can only go back to g8 safely where not only has the knight wasted two moves but black becomes severely underdeveloped. After 9. ...g4 how would Greco reply? Perhaps 4. ...Nf6 would have been better after all...
Jul-07-05  Jaymthetactician: True, but in the first recorded Sicilian this position was also reached, I find it incredible that my Deep Shredder 9 with a very small blunder check (IE: 20 = a move must make you .20 worse then before in order to recieve a ?) Doesnt give any move a ? mark. Though there are some alternate lines that may be better for either side. I'll post the game once I find the site.
Jul-07-05  supertimchan: 17. Qe6 shouldn't be played. 17.c4 is better. White get the d5 square, while black may use the d4 square. The Bd2 to e3 back to b1 is totally useless.
Jul-08-05  Jaymthetactician: Wait a minute. This game is an EXACT copy if the first recorded sicilian by Polerio!

I think 17...Re8 was better then 17...Ng6, as 17...Re8 is , while it is only with ...Ng6.

Aug-11-05  Runemaster: I can't see an immediately winning continuation for Black. Did White just get fed up with his poor position? Or has the real ending of the game dropped off somewhere along the way?
Aug-11-05  Eatman: Isn't this just a combined game analysis by Greco? How does one tell the games composed by Greco to showcases his skills, between ones actually played by him? In any case, some impressive mini-tactics here.
Apr-18-06  CitricAcid13: Wouldn't the overextended pawn be helped by 15. Rxf5 instead of exf5? I still think white is lost at this point, but without the overextended pawn it isn't so obvious or rapid.
Sep-26-07  wolfmaster: I honestly prefer NN's position after move 16.
Dec-11-08  WhiteRook48: Greco actually blundered? 4...Nh6?? Doesn't even attempt to control the center.
Feb-24-09  just a kid: Strategic demolition by Greco.
May-26-09  zb2cr: Greco's longest game in the <> DB.

<Runemaster>, if you ever come back to view this game, try looking at the position after 36. ... Rh8. It looks pretty convincing to me.

Black is threatening ... Bh2+.

If 37. g3, Nc7; 38. Rb2, Rh3; 39. Rh2, Reh8; 40. Rxh3, Rxh3; 41. Kf2, Rh2+; 42. Ke1 (43. Ke3??, Re2#), Nxb5; 43. Bd2, Rg2 and White loses a third Pawn.

If 37. gxf3, gxf3; 38. Rxf3, Nxd4!; 39. cxd4, Re1+; 40. Kf2 (40. Rf1?, Rxf1+; 41. Kxf1, Rxh1+; 42. Ke2, Rh2+), Rxc1; 43. Ke3, Re1+; 44. Kf2, Rhxh1.

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