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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 38
Bishop's Opening: Berlin Defense. Greco Gambit (C23)  ·  1-0

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Oct-09-04  aw1988: I personally would take the queen in the final position just to annoy my opponent. (Er, the position before Re7#)
Oct-09-04  poktirity: aw1988 that doesn't work since the knight is protecting the bishop.
Oct-09-04  aw1988: <poktirity> White is still in material and will win regardless.
Oct-09-04
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  tpstar: <aw1988> After 22. Nxh8?! wrong is 22 ... Bxd4+ 23. Kg2 Bxh8? due to 24. Rad1, but right is 22 ... Kxd6 23. Nxg6 Bxd4+ or 23. Rad1/c3 Bf5 with a tough endgame ahead. You _always_ choose mate over material; that's what really annoys your opponent. ;>)
Oct-09-04  aw1988: Oh good grief. I somehow thought white still had a queen. Never mind.
Nov-19-04  Jaymthegenius: The completely refuted Greco gambit, black should have won with best play. Instead of 4...Nxe4 which is what Greco wanted, I would have played 4...d6 to support the pawn and free the Queen's bishop
Mar-03-05  pinballace: Why not 12...Qxf5? I know I must be missing something...
Mar-03-05
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  crafty: 12...♕xf5 13. c4 ♖f8 14. b3 ♕g6 15. ♘e5 ♕e6 16. c5   (eval 0.66; depth 12 ply; 250M nodes)
Mar-03-05  Whitehat1963: He probably would have crushed him quickly and often, but I still think Morphy-Greco might have yielded some really fun games!
Nov-27-05  DeepBlade: Nice mate, all the sacrifces were for the fork, but it had a nasty mate combo to it...
Nov-27-05  Soltari: It seems that at move 5 black is already so undeveloped that he can't prevent losing the knight. I think 3...Nxe4 is a mistake, black got to gready on the pawns on the start.
Dec-01-05  DeepBlade: <Soltari> I agree, but I also think that Black just overextended his pawns and Knight, and White can develop by threatning them.
Dec-01-05  cambal: I thk GReco has no change against the Genius Morphy.
Dec-01-05  DeepBlade: If Greco was about ELO 1500, I still like his games, and so many years ago (1620) I think it is still a big achievement to be ELO 1500.

Morphy, Alehkine and the others (you know them better), they're in a league of their own. Greco is in my opinion a great intermediate player, with some nice tricks and traps. Im like ELO 1200, and I aim to play like Greco so I think its OK.

Dec-21-05  Chopin: <cambal: I thk GReco has no change against the Genius Morphy.> Morphy would beat Greco without a knight.
Jan-27-06  DeepBlade: <cambal> That is like compairing an apple with a banana. Read my previous post.
Mar-20-06  AlexanderMorphy: well you can't really compare two players from a different era....you can't say that Topalov is a better player than Karpov because he has achieved a higher ranking. Chess is improving all the time and as long as Greco was the best in his days(as he was) then he should be considered a great player...however unless your playing players rated below 1800 most of his tricks don't work and i advice players not to analyse his games too hard!
May-30-06  Whitehat1963: What an unbelievable combination after 16...g6. Marvelous puzzle! But is there an saving black after that error?
May-30-06
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  OhioChessFan: Some have mentioned Nxe4, but I think if Black would have simply castled instead of futilely attempting to protect the Knight with f5, he'd have had a playable game.
Aug-22-06  Oldrey: this game must be wrong or something. on move 12 NN doesnt take de bishop. on move 14 greco gives nn a knight for free. and in moves 15 16 17 greco misses Bxd4+ which makes him lose a piece
Aug-28-07  Akuni: <Whitehat> He could've won, if he only had a name!
Aug-29-07  sleepyirv: I don't know how you can evaulate the strength of a player who died over 350 years ago. A couple things have changed in chess since then. The final position in this game was very cute.
Aug-30-07  Ed Trice: Man that NN guy must be very old, he lost many games to Morphy too in the 1850's!

:)

Sep-26-07  wolfmaster: <Chopin> I agree, Morphy, unlike Greco , played decent competition.
Dec-06-13  davide2013: I like this game, also if it is not played between modern day GMs.
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