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Viswanathan Anand vs Vladimir Kramnik
Cap d'Agde rapid (2003) (rapid), Cap D'Agde FRA, rd 3, Oct-30
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation (B33)  ·  1-0

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Oct-31-03  Open Defence: So Vishy has won... hey is this the sicillian pelikan or shveshnikov ?
Oct-31-03  Diggitydawg: <Open Defence> It's the shveshnikov. I uploaded this game yesterday. Just out of curiosity, why don't you list Anand as one of your favorite players? You seem to have a fondness for the Soviet players
Oct-31-03  Open Defence: Well it's not that Anand is not on the list of my favorites, it's just that when I was growing up and discovering chess it was the games of Botvinnik, Karpov, Tal, Stein, Szabo, Petrosyan and Smyslov that caught my eye.

I heard about Vishwanathan Anand much later so he didnt capture my imagination like those I have mentioned.

Further, Anand's style is to clarify and simplify positions, but (if I may be so bold to say this) he has not yet played the game that makes me weak in the knees like Karpov or Tal has .. so...

Oct-31-03  Diggitydawg: Really, you get weak in the knees analyzing Karpov and Tal's games? I'm sure that they would be happy to know that ;-D.

BTW, Anand ends nicely here. One line might be: 46..Kg8 47.Qe6+ Kh8 48.Qf7 Bb4 49.Qe8+ Bf8 50. Qxf8#.

Oct-31-03  Open Defence: Yeah, very forceful, btw the best game of Anand that I have seen so far is the Kasparov vs Anand, 1995 in the Scotch game where Anand played g5 in the Mieses Variation it ended in a draw
Oct-31-03  Diggitydawg: Sounds interesting, I'll have to look at the game sometime later as it's about 2:30 am where I am. Shubha raatri.
Oct-31-03  seoulmama: Open Defence, being a big Anand fan I must disagree with you. He most certainly does NOT try to "clarify and simplify" positions! His play is very complex, but it does seem "clear" if you haven't got a clue about what's going on. This seems to be the case now...
Oct-31-03  seoulmama: No offence meant of course! Just saying that I have studied very diligently Anand's play.
Oct-31-03  billikid: such a good match..looks like both of them wanted some blood bath here but it only shows how genius this guy anand when it comes to screwing up bold attacking plans of wannabees like kramnik..(not bad for a tall player with small brain)
Nov-02-03  Open Defence: seolmama are you saying Anand prefers complications in a position ?
Nov-02-03  Open Defence: look at Anand's technique here (of course it is a rapid game) .. he blocked the pawn structure and then launched his own attack, I rarely see Anand seek complications like Tal or Kasparov it seems to me seoulmama that you did not understand what my post meant (no offence)
Nov-02-03  seoulmama: Open Defence, what I mean is that Anand's play in itself may seem easy, but is very complicated underneath.
Nov-02-03  seoulmama: Open Defence, we should not be arguing about this - we both simply have different opinions.
Nov-02-03  AdrianP: <Seoulmama> <Open Defence>... I don't think that your respective views on Anand are necessarily exclusive. I find Anand's play "clear" in the sense that Fischer or Capablanca's play can be called "clear". <Seoulmama>'s point is that although things seem smooth on the surface, the apparent simplicity of play is informed by deep calculation / positional understanding / intuition. <Open Defence>'s point is also a good one, in that there a certain players, e.g. Tal, Shirov, Shabalov and Kasparov who positively like and play for "unclear" / "messy" positions; Anand is not one of those.
Nov-03-03  Open Defence: <seoulmama> simplify /= simple .. that's why I said you misunderstood my post, what I meant was Anand does not seek unclear positions, I think Adrianp brought out the meaning of my post and hey chess is interesting because no two opinions may be the same :-D
Nov-03-03  seoulmama: I agree Open Defence (-:
Nov-03-03  Open Defence: and no two smileys may be the same lol :-}
Nov-03-03  Ghengis Pawn II: Diggtydawn - Anand is Indian, not Russian. Did you mean Kramnik?
Nov-03-03  Open Defence: <Ghengis Pawn II> erm where did diggitydawg say or imply Anand was russian ??
Nov-03-03  Diggitydawg: <Ghengis> I think you misinterpreted my two unconnected statements <why don't you list Anand as one of your favorite players? You seem to have a fondness for the Soviet players> to be connected.
Nov-04-03  Benjamin Lau: Kramnik claims he might have missed a forced mate in seven somewhere in this game, around move 44 or so (it was a rapid game).
Nov-05-03  billikid: as for me, it's nice to see chess players having some nice games and making some money out of their efforts..anand simply put players'care first before his,and that shows why he is such a legend on and off the board,no wonder he gets sponsors happily in promoting chess coz he puts stability in chess unlike some greedy chess player who is sick in the head and he knows nothin but his own gain and desperately believing himself good lookin in his simple mind..hehe...
Nov-05-03  rags: there is no mate in 7 for black. GM Shipov gives a good analysis of this game in www.worldchessrating.com, he says he hasnt seen kramnik being clearly outplayed like this for long time.
Nov-15-03  darnold: What about exf5 at move 14, threatening f6 after Bxd5?
Nov-15-03  PinkPanther: <So Vishy has won... hey is this the sicillian pelikan or shveshnikov ?>

The pelikan and she sveshnikov are the exact same thing, that's like saying "is this the russian defense or the petrov defense"? They're the same thing. It's really quite confusing, there are a ton of chess openings with more than one name.

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