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Gioachino Greco vs NN
Miscellaneous Game (1620), ?, rd 77
Queen's Gambit Declined: Austrian Defense (D06)  ·  1-0



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Jun-18-04  Jesuitic Calvinist: I like it. Remorselessly logical play from Greco once he has established the big pawn on d6. NN resisted pretty well, too.
Feb-18-05  InspiredByMorphy: Odd opening play from NN. A premature (because of skipping 2. ...e6) Tarrasch defense.
Feb-24-05  Jaymthegenius: I think Pillsbury played a similiar opening from white, also better for black would be 14...Bxc4 15.Bxc4,Nc6 and better for white would be 12.Bb2, that is what Deep Shredder 9 says. (and I have to agree, this game is horrendously flawed bt Greco)
Feb-24-05  InspiredByMorphy: <Jayme> <I have to agree, this game is horrendously flawed bt Greco> You continue to post opinions without backing your words by analysis. Where are these horrendous flaws your referring to?
Feb-25-05  Jaymthegenius: They do not loose outright, just give the opponent oppertunities to equalize, and I just guess that people will feed this game to a computer for evidence.

12.Bb2,Rxd6 13.Bxd6,Rd8 14.Bxf6,gxf6 and black has doubled f-pawns and an open file to the castled king (this is my analysis, not Deep Shredders, )

Feb-25-05  InspiredByMorphy: <Jaym> You still didnt mention a flaw of his in this game. However I think what you mean is that white missed a stronger line with 12.Bb2 but this is not so. 12.Bb2 Rxd6 13.Bxd6 Re6 14.Bxf6 Rxf6 and black has a rook developed while white has no pieces developed. Even if white dosent play 14.Bxf6 black still has better development having two pieces developed to whites one. Besides, why would white want to give up such a strongly posted passed pawn? Hence the reason 12.Ba3 was played.
Feb-28-05  Jaymthegenius: This line is what Deep Shredder 9 gives!!

12.Bb2,Rxd6 13.Bxd6,Rd8 14.Bxf6,gxf6

also on move 9, the computer anylized

9. Bf4 O-O 10. Nf3 Bd7 11. Rc1 Nc6 12. Ne5 Nxe5 13. Bxe5 to be 1.79 pawns better for white.

and on 13. Ne2 Nc6 14. Rd1 Bd7 15. Bc5 b6 16. Be3 is better for white then in the game.

Oct-09-05  elh: Why did NN castle? I would have posted the king on the blockading square d7.
Nov-27-05  DeepBlade: I hate Queenless play!
Oct-04-07  wolfmaster: Cute checkmate!
Jan-28-08  wolfmaster: NN went for an early endgame, and his endgame skills are much stronger than those of his opening skills.
Aug-10-08  just a kid: The pawn d6 is a nightmare for NN!
Dec-29-08  YJGYJ: The forward d6 pawn really dictates many of Greco's moves since it is such a threat.
Apr-02-10  The Rocket: Probably one of the "real" greco games given theres no instructive pattern in the game.

It would make no sence if all the games were contructs why some would be 5 moves long, and other 30 or 50, it probably means that aloth of the short games were the fake ones, and the longer ones were indeed real games that were being played!.

Jun-22-11  Llawdogg: NN resisted pretty well for awhile, and then he walked into a mate in one.
Jun-26-12  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Greco vs NN, 1620.
Your score: 85 (par = 71)


Jun-26-12  Marmot PFL: You beat me by a point. Interesting that a 17th century player like Greco would offer a Q trade so early.
Jun-26-12  LoveThatJoker: <Marmot PFL> It is interesting that this game went into a Queenless middlegame very early on!

I was moreso expecting a minor piece interposition than an offer to trade Queens.

Thanks for the shout-out, man!


Sep-15-14  Bronder: It is very interesting to watch an early 17th Century game with its directness.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: It is very interesting to see all these 21st century spelling mistakes.
Jan-08-16  ColdSong: Nice game,the lad had a good technique.

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