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Garry Kasparov vs Teimour Radjabov
Linares (2004), Linares ESP, rd 2, Feb-20
Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. General (B30)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Oct-21-04  acirce: <LIFE Master AJ> If you on your website have provided a concrete example where the tablebases are faulty, can you please give us the URL?
Oct-21-04  Shadout Mapes: I finally found AJ's analysis, guys. scroll down. the format is .cbv

Indeed, he provides no winning lines at the end on Mig's analysis, and gives a vague winning plan that doesn't sound exactly winning.

AJ, what would you recommend for white after 43.d6+ Kd7 44.Kb6 Rf5 45.Rb4 g5 46.Kxb7 Rf4 47.Rb1 (I see no differences between this and Rb3) 47...Kxd6 48.b6 g4 49.Rb5 (once again, name a better move. it looks logical, stop the g pawn from moving) 49...g3 50.Rg5 Rf3 51. now what do you suggest to win? give me moves, not "...Rg8... advancing his king to the 8th row, followed by putting the white pawn on the 7th rank." In that setup, how could white avoid a perpetual? The king is caught behind his pawn, the rook to the black pawn.

And I concur with ughaibu, Cyphelium is a great contributer, and friendly on top of that.

Looking forward to your response, Mr. Goldsby.

Oct-21-04  Woodpusher: Shadout, First, I followed the link you gave, searched up and down the page, and found nothing related to tablebase or endgames. Second, please simply define the position which Mr. Goldsby believes tablebase has incorrect, that way I can follow the analysis that you have reprinted and check against my copy of tablebase.
Oct-21-04  Minor Piece Activity: It's in a Linares file I think.
Oct-21-04  clocked: <shadout Mapes> You began writing that post 2 days ago!!!???

<Woodpusher> the link is for THIS endgame. Goldsby has NOT provided an example of what you are requesting.

Oct-21-04  Minor Piece Activity: Okay, maybe I am wrong. =) Btw, can someone tell me what Benko composition is AJ referring to?
Oct-21-04  clocked: <MPA> that is still a mystery. As <Sneaky> and I have pointed out, it is possible that the tablebase missed a castle move or en passant.
Nov-01-04  aw1988: I find LIFE Master AJ's website to be rather difficult to navigate. Where is all this analysis anyways?
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  LIFE Master AJ: On my website.
Dec-12-04  Minor Piece Activity: Lol, that wins the award of most helpful post ever

Anyhow, maybe the reason they eliminated the lifemaster title is because it contributes to inflation? What if someone beat you like a ton of times in a match, they'd gain and you'd lose nothing right?

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  Sneaky: Is the difference really that pronounced? I always thought it was more like 100 points.
Dec-12-04  SnoopDogg: <Is the difference really that pronounced? I always thought it was more like 100 points.>

No 200 is about right. Maybe 150 at the minimum but that's it. He's talking about lower rated players though not the likes of Kaidanov who has like 2730+ rating which is only about a 150 difference.

Dec-23-04  aw1988: <most helpful post ever> Oh, thrilling. "I find your website hard to navigate. Where is this wonderful analysis I'm hearing about?" "It's on my webpage."


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  LIFE Master AJ: <aw> Too bad.
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  LIFE Master AJ: <All> "Minor piece" is correct, the analysis is in a file for Linares for that year.
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  LIFE Master AJ: <all> You can find this file on my website for Downloads. (
May-16-06  spirit: nobody is discussing radj and GAZZA again...i really love this kid...will he miss being world champ in say seven years???...i sincerely doubt...
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  LIFE Master AJ: Oct-20-04
Kasparov vs Radjabov, 2004
clocked: < Look at ... he finally admits that the tablebase solution "might" work! I don't think he understands what the tablebases are. >

I have the 7 CD set of tablebases now ... and of course I know how to use them.

When I did my very first analysis on the "Goldsby Position" some 20-30 years ago, the tablebases did not exist. When I created the web page in question, (; I did not have the table-bases ... they were much more crude than they are today.

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  LIFE Master AJ: < Dec-12-04 SnoopDogg: <Is the difference really that pronounced? I always thought it was more like 100 points.> No 200 is about right. Maybe 150 at the minimum but that's it. He's talking about lower rated players though not the likes of Kaidanov who has like 2730+ rating which is only about a 150 difference. >

You also have to bear in mind that a few years ago, USCF shaved off like 100 points for all players rated above a certain level. (2400-2500) This was done in an attempt to bring USCF ratings in line with those of FIDE. (It didn't work.)

Anyone who could provide the exact details (of the USCF action) would be greatly appreciated.

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  Colonel Mortimer: A USCF Life Master can never fall below 2200 even after losing to several 1500 rated players - credible title? Judge for yourselves...
Jul-11-07  Certhas: Tablebase is not computers its mathematics.
And *magically* if you prove something in a consistent mathematical framework it turns out you really can't find counterexamples to it! No matter how counterintuitive.
Jan-13-09  WhiteRook48: Kasparov has to draw with another master... well, it could've been worse (losing to NN??!!)
Jan-23-09  WhiteRook48: 42...Rf6 seems pointless.
Feb-01-09  WhiteRook48: poor Kasparov
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  plang: In this topical anti-Sicilian line 9 0-0 had been played in the draw Mamedov-Krasenkov at the 2002 European Championship at Bathumi; 9 exd was new (actually through a different series of moves omitting Black's ..Nd7 and ..Nb6 and with White's king knight getting to c3 in two moves rather than four the game transposed to one of the rapid playoff games between Short and Nataf in round 2 of of the 2000 World Championship tournament in New Delhi - in that game White had played 15 Qh5 where here Kasparov chose 15 b3). 20..Ne3 21 Bxf7+..Kh8 22 h4! would have been strong for White. 30..d2 would have been more accurate leaving the white b-pawn unprotected after White captures the d-pawn (ie. 30..d2! 31 Rd3..Rd8 32 Rxd2..Rd6 33 Kf2..Kf8 34 Ke3..Ke7 35 Kd4..Rxb6). Kasparov had good winning chances in the rook ending. 42 Rg4! would have been his best chance forcing Black to find the tricky drawing line 42..g5 43 Re4+..Kf7! 44 b5..Rf4 45 Re5..g4 46 d6..g3 47 d7..g2 48 Rg5..Ke7 49 Rxg2..Rf6! 50 Rd2..b6+! 51 Kc4..Kd8.

It was a little surprising that Kasparov offered the draw as he could have tested Radjabov a bit more.

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