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Sarunas Sulskis vs Loek van Wely
Aeroflot Open (2004), Moscow RUS, rd 3, Feb-19
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation (B33)  ·  0-1



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Apr-11-04  jeffnool: what about 14.f3? (...14.Bf6 15.Qf3 with a treat of Nb5)
Apr-12-04  vangogh228: Did you mean 14.f6 ? Well, 14... Bxf6 15.Qf3 Bg7. The Black Bishop is back where it started and the White pawn is gone. Not a lot there. This is especially true considering that Black, at first opportunity, will play Qa5+ and snatch the Bishop, then advance the Knight to d4, threatening a fork if not more. It seems that the worst fate for Black from 14.f6 is losing his ability to castle.
Apr-14-04  jeffnool: i mean 14.f6 Bf6 15.Qf3 Bg7 16.Nb5 Well what then. If 16...Qa5 then 17.Bc6 do you have any alternative moves regarding this? You can not take the Bishop on b5 because the white treat is Nc7...
Apr-30-04  AdrianP: <Jeffnool>

Is your line:

14. f6 Bf6 15. Qf3 Bg7 16. Nb4!
(16. Nb5 looks impossible to me - and I don't understand the white threat Nc7).

The line ending in Nb4 looks very promising to me - I can't see how Black hangs on to his piece... so 14. f6!? might be an improvement.

Black's safest response to 14. f6 may be 14...Bf8!? when the f6 pawn is more of a hindrance than a help, and black looks relatively comfortable.

Jun-14-04  jeffnool: AdrianP can you give some detailed line regarding 14...Bf8!? because i think that black is somewhat cramp in the line 14.f6!? thanks
Jun-14-04  AdrianP: 14. f6 Bf6 15. Qf3 Bg7 16. Nb4! was actually played in the following game:

[Event "WLS-ch"]
[Site "Cardiff"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Bennion,David"]
[Black "Fletcher,John"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "B33"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.Na3 b5 10.Nd5 f5 11.Nxb5 axb5 12.Bxb5 Bb7 13.exf5 Bg7 14.f6 Bxf6 15.Qf3 Bg7 16.Nb4 0-0 17.Bxc6 e4 18.Qf5 Bxc6 19.Nxc6 Qc7 20.Qd5 Rfc8 21.Nd4 Ra5 22.Nb5 Qxc2 23.0-0 Rc5 24.Qxd6 Raxb5 25.Rad1 Rxb2 26.Qe7 Rb8 27.Rd7 Rf8 28.Rfd1 Rc7 29.h4 Rxd7 30.Qxd7 Qxa2 31.Qe7 Qa8 32.h5 h6 33.g4 Re8 34.Qd7 Qc8 35.Qxc8 Rxc8 36.Kg2 Bf6 37.Re1 Re8 38.Kg3 Be5+ 39.Kg2 Bf4 40.Rb1 Kg7 41.Rb6 Re6 42.Rb5 Bg5 43.Kg3 f6 44.Rb7+ Kf8 45.Kg2 Ke8 46.Kf1 Re7 47.Rb6 Kd7 48.Ke2 Re6 49.Rb5 Kc6 50.Ra5 Re5 51.Ra6+ Kb5 52.Rd6 Kc5 53.Rd7 Rd5 54.Re7 Kd4 55.Re6 Ra5 56.Rd6+ Ke5 57.Rb6 Ra2+ 58.Kf1 Bh4 0-1

Black won but it looks to me as if 18. Qf5? simply threw away a winning position. Much better was 18. Qb3 and white is just walking all over black.

I suggested 14. ...Bf8!? because 14...Bxf6?! looks unplayable. I don't have any particular variations in mind, but it looks to me that the B is useful back on f8, as it supports the weak d6-pawn, and Black can organize some counterattacking down the g-file. Black can just hunker down and try to hang on to his extra piece. Once the pawn is on f6, Black's K is probably marginally safer in the centre. The only alternative seems to me to be 14. ...Bh6 - to K-side castle, but in that case the d6 pawn looks very tender to me.

I am sure Van Wely must have had something in mind to reply to 14. f6 - after all 13. Bg7 more or less invites f6, and I'm pretty sure that 14. ...Bxf6 doesn't work.

Jun-14-04  jeffnool: in the game that you give me i have a continuation for Qb3. 18.Qb3 Bc6 19.Nc6 Qd7 20.Nb4 Ra5 21.O-O Rb8 22.Re1 Qg4 23.Re3 Be5 and i incidentally won as black but that only happen in blitz game...
Jun-14-04  jeffnool: you know my friend you are well adept in analysing game especially Svesnikov where as here in our country Philippines, we dont have any book becaause it is very expensive. i only rely at the web...thanks
Jun-14-04  jeffnool: you can also see my other kibitz especially the game of leko and Kramnik which i did some interesting analysis. thanks
Jun-15-04  phildag: how about 14.f6 Bxf6 15.Nxf6 Qxf6 16.Qd5
Jun-15-04  AdrianP: <phildag>

Your line: 14 f6 Bxf6 15. Nxf6 Qxf6 16. Qd5 then Rc8 and Black is clearly winning, unless you've got something in mind.

<Jeffnool's line> 14. f6 Bf6 15. Qf3 Bg7 16. Nb4! and White is winning.

=> 15. Nxf6? is not an improvement over 15. Qf3!

Jun-19-04  jeffnool: crafty can you help out the line after 14.f6? thanks
Jul-03-04  jeffnool: crafty can you analyse after move 13...Bg7 thanks
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  kingscrusher: Great - I've just got a lost position in a correspondence game, trusting Van Wely's play. White did play Qb3 against me instead of that bad Qf5 move.
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  kingscrusher: Bennion had nearly the right refutation - but instead of Qf5 he should have played Qb3
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  kingscrusher: If Van Wely's opening play in this game is completely unsound, and he is over Fide 2650, it does make one wonder about the soundness of other games of OTB chess here. Are they to be trusted without the cynical eye of engine analysis to check for tactical refutations?!
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  kingscrusher: I have put up a training thread on the position after f6 which Van Wely's opponent didn't try out. It seems Black may have had Be7 after Qf3 which might be much better than Bg7.

The training thread can be seen here:

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  wordfunph: "I am not too shy to play for a win as black."

GM Loek van Wely (NIC Mag 2004/3)

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