Rafael Vaganian vs Gyozo Forintos (1975) Raf and Tumble

Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players ·

Kibitzing

Rafael Vaganian vs Gyozo Forintos
"Raf and Tumble" (game of the day Oct-26-2015)
Alekhine Memorial (1975), Moscow URS, rd 12, Oct-29
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz Attack. Two Knights Defense (D37) · 1-0

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

explore this opening	find similar games	3 more Vaganian/Forintos games
sac: 22.gxf6	PGN: download \| view \| print	Help: general \| java-troubleshooting

TIP: You should register a free account to activate some of Chessgames.com's coolest and most powerful features.

For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

A COMPUTER ANNOTATED SCORE OF THIS GAME IS AVAILABLE. [CLICK HERE]

< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 · Later Kibitzing>
Oct-26-15		DanielHoseano: GOTD now😁

Oct-26-15		kevin86: White will mate after sacrificing at g8!

Oct-26-15		Domdaniel: This is one of Raf's best - though my favourite is still his sacrificial win against Reshevsky with the French Defence: Reshevsky vs Vaganian, 1976.

Oct-26-15		perfidious: <Dom> To this day, I am mystified by Reshevsky opening 1.e4 in the game with Vaganian, in what was surely one of the latter's finest games.

Oct-26-15		Cheapo by the Dozen: Not that I see specific positional similarities, but in general attitude, this was more like a King's Gambit than a Queen's. :)

Oct-26-15		mikrohaus: As much as I like this game on it's surface, it should still be SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for any good player. The doubled-rooks and protected Ph7 are worth more than Q+R. So, the loss of the Q wasn't a combination, but merely a winning exchange of units. That's good chess reasoning. I doubt the winner spent much time on anything but d-pawn pushes by Black and the like.

Oct-27-15		Domdaniel: <perf> - < Reshevsky opening 1.e4 ...> I had the impression that Sammy had a prepared line against the French (complete with Kg3). Admittedly not the sort of thing he usually did, and it came badly unstuck against Vaganian. This is just my vague notion - I can't cite you a source for Reshevsky's prep.

Mar-03-22		Brenin: 22 gxf6 Rxc2+ 23 Bxc2 Re8 (defending against Rg8+) 24 Rhg1 followed by Rg8+, leadig to an endgame a B ahead.

Mar-03-22		mel gibson: Today was a little bit tricky as there are so many lines. Stockfish 14 agrees with the main line: 22. gxf6 (22. gxf6 (g5xf6 ♖c8xc2+ ♗d3xc2 ♕d8-c8 ♖g4-g8+ ♕c8xg8 h7xg8♖+ ♔h8xg8 ♗c2-h7+ ♔g8-h8 ♗h7-f5+ ♔h8-g8 ♖h1-h5 ♖e5-e8 ♗f5-h7+ ♔g8-h8 ♗h7-e4+ ♔h8-g8 ♖h5-g5+ ♔g8-h8 ♗e4xd5 ♖e8-f8 e3-e4 d4-d3+ ♔e2xd3 ♖f8-d8 ♔d3-d4 ♔h8-h7 ♖g5-g7+ ♔h7-h8 ♖g7xf7 ♖d8-g8 e4-e5 ♖g8-g1 e5-e6 ♖g1-d1+ ♔d4-e5 ♖d1-e1+ ♗d5-e4 ♖e1xe4+ ♔e5xe4 ♔h8-g8 ♖f7xb7 ♔g8-h8 ♖b7-g7 a7-a5 e6-e7 a5-a4 e7-e8♕+) +M25/78 430) score for White _ mate in 25.

Mar-03-22		An Englishman: Good Evening: Tricky position. White can never play Qc2xc8 because after ...Qxc8 in reply, the Rg4 is en prise with check.

Mar-03-22		saturn2: 32 gxf6 was the first I looked at. It wins a piece. Black gains Q for rook temporarily but has to trade back in order to avoid backrank mate.

Mar-03-22		Granny O Doul: White will be up more than a piece, as he threatens 26. Rg8+ Rxg8 27. hxg8Q+ Qxg8 28. Rh1+.

Mar-03-22		saturn2: 19...Rc8 is an obvious mistake. It allows a tempo check which also opens files against the king.

Mar-03-22		Brenin: <Granny O Doul>: After 22 gxf6 Black can restrict his initial losses to a minor piece by 22 ... Rxc2+ 23 Bxc2 Qc8 24 Rg8+ Qxg8 25 hxg8=Q+ Kxg8. However, by 26 Bh7+ Kh8 (Kf8 27 Bf4, threatening Rh8 mate, is no better) 27 Bf4+ Kg8 28 Rh5 (threatening to win the R by Bh7+) Re8 29 Bh7+ Kh8 30 Be4+ Kg8 31 Bxd5 White can start picking off Ps. They are fairly irrelevant, since anyone but a complete beginner would have resigned long before this point.

Mar-03-22		Granny O Doul: @Brenin: Aha, yes you're right.

Mar-03-22		agb2002: White has a bishop and a pawn for a knight. Black threatens Rxc2+ and Nxg4. The white rooks aiming at the black king and the pawn on h7 suggest 22.gxf6 Rxc2+ 23.Bxc2: A) 23... Re8 24.Rhg1 followed by Rg8+ wins decisive material. B) 23... Qc8 24.Rg8+ Qxg8 25.hxg8=Q+ Kxg8 26.Rh4 + - [B].

Mar-03-22		Teyss: If I can solve it, it's not Thursday level. Black is not obliged to take the Q on move 22 but if for instance 22...Re8 to protect the back rank, 23.Qd1 Qxf6 (best) 24.Qg1: White has an overwhelming attack on the Kside (note hxg8+ will be a discovery check impossible to parry). In the end White is not only a B up: mate is unavoidable. 25...Whatever 26.Rg8+ Rxg8 27.hxg8=Q+ Qxg8 28.Rh1+ (better than Rxg8+) Qh7 29.Rxh7+ Kg8 30.Rh5 click for larger view White will simply play Rxd5 and Rd8# If 30...Kf8, 31.Rh8#

Mar-03-22		TheaN: White wins a piece after <22.gxf6 Rxc2+> this one of those "what else?" situations <23.Bxc2>. Now White's threatening Rg8+ and there's not much to do about that. <23....Qc8> attacking Bc2 and Rg4 forcing it. After 23....Re8, a last ditch effort to protect g8, simply follows 24.Rhg1 +- and Black's actually forced to trade all pieces at g8 with an easier game for White. <24.Rg8+ Qxg8 25.hxg8Q+ Kxg8> and here I'd reconsider how to approach the endgame, but I like <26.Rh4 +->, attacking d4. After the somewhat logical 26....Re6 27.Bh7 Kf8 (Kh8 28.Bf5+ +-) 28.Rxd4 Rxf6 29.Rxd5 +-. White's up a solid pawn also.

Mar-03-22		TheaN: Hahaha the finish after the main line 22.gxf6 Rxc2+ 23.Bxc2 Qc8 24.Rg8+ Qxg8 25.hxg8Q+ Kxg8 is actually kind of brilliant and ridiculous and the same time: click for larger view 26.Bh7+ Kf8 (Kh8 27.Bf5+) 27.Bf5! Kg8 (else Rh8#) 28.Rh5! Re8 (else B+) and now the rook's essentially tied down: click for larger view 29.Bh7+ Kf8 30.Be4! +- and d5 falls.

Mar-03-22		TheaN: Actually, after 29....Kf8, 30.Rg5 +- seals the mating net (Rxe3+ prolongs it a bit). Black's forced into one of the weirdest windmills I've seen, 29....Kh8 30.Be4+ Kg8 31.Bxd5 +- and White's dominating the board piece and pawn up.

Mar-03-22		chrisowen: Ochre v x it v auld gxf6 fluff abridge light gel axiom so v it a cuff muff ochre v x it v auld it woz hit vin tigered it v dt i go docile vin cervantes lubbly jubbly buffon v it quaint pj mp it whizz it v hog met emerald v it v block juicy fins frog v it v huh fluffed it efface v it duck finish it v eh huh affable pack if it be c v it v o dom lint no v it v occur accomodate ch ji v it v bushed it v hurry arrive o it jetted it v og go muddle ar it dt c dine it v hog it rife it ac oo it v i gedulf no it oy v it din c cain it dean it fag it hi v it fad it ver fare it v daffy c no v it feel it v bag c dang hang coy bode it z it v frack it dr i c ft he it song it bob v it dt get its da ok ft fc v it dank ar an it elf tin it i fag nn it vagator ai re al a of it sin oy go z it soon rift v it goya v it v nn zoran foots it v i oz it viga i gavel it v afar it v roofs it in gonzo ay again v it leaf it ar gxf6 dick;

Mar-03-22		King.Arthur.Brazil: Easy, everybody will tick on 22.gxf6. but pay attention to 25.♖hg1 which is decisive.

Mar-03-22		parch: Black threatens the Queen, and rook. 22.gf6 looks good, ...R:c2+ 23.B:c2 Re8 (...Qc8) 24.Rhg1 d3+ 25.B:d3 d4 26.Rg8+ R:g8 27.hg8/Q+ Q:g8 28.Rh1+ wins

Mar-04-22		landshark: I finally got one right this week

Aug-11-24		GrahamClayton: Ultra-aggressive play by Vaganian, leaving his King in the centre and launching a pawn storm against Forintos's king.

search thread:
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 · Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
Nothing in violation of United States law.
No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
No trolling.
The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.