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| Apr-17-04 | | iron maiden: Wow! What a thrashing for Fischer! Granted, it was in a simul, but it was fifteen moves! Is this Bobby's quickest loss in the database? |
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| Apr-17-04 | | kenbenton: What am I missing? I understand 12...Nxe4 threatens mate at f2; but why not simply take the knight on move 13? Also, I would think this may have rankled Bobby a bit; playing this guy in a simul. He was very highly rated, having beaten people like Najdorf before. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | iron maiden: To answer my own question, upon further review Fischer-Burger, 1963, is Fischer's quickest loss in the database (14 moves). Of course 12. Bxc6?? was a huge blunder, especially for Bobby in 1971. After 12...Nxe4, 13. Bxe4 gets cut down by Bh4+. |
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 | | Sneaky: Garcia Palermo is a grandmaster now, he was probably playing at IM strength or thereabouts at the time of this game. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | Dudley: The weakness in white's position is that the pawn at h3 allows a devistating check from Bh4 with mate to follow from Qf2. The knight move is an unveiling sacrifice. When grandmasters play simuls they feel free to play wild tactical stuff like the kings gambit in order to get most of the games over quickly-they are not trying to play their best game, and it doesn't matter if they drop a few here and there. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | iron maiden: Kenbenton, 13...Qxe4 doesn't work due to Bh4+, and mate after 14. g3 Bxg3#. |
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 | | kevin86: Was this chess suicide? It seems that maybe Fischer tanked this game in order to bring prestige to the exhibition. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | MoonlitKnight: <iron maiden> Not 14.g3 Bxg3, but 14.Kf1 Qf2# |
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| Apr-17-04 | | karlzen: Garcia-Palermo played very well, the different sacs were definitely not without serious venom. Fischer probably just under-estimated his opponent and might not have realised that his king would be trapped in the centre. The computer can certainly refute black's play, but it's much much harder in a human simul. Another line of how dangerous black's attack is: 11.e5 0-0-0! 12.exf6 bxf6 13.Nge2 Rhe8 14.Kf1 Qc5 (threatening Bxe2, Bxe2 Bxc3) 15.Rb1 (anticipating Bxc3) 15...Qe7 and black is close to winning. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | David S. Brummer: What about 12. hxg4 what am I missing |
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| Apr-17-04 | | Giancarlo: Carlos must have had his mouth wide open after winning this game! I wonder what went wrong wiht Fischer? Maybe it wasn't really him ;-) |
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| Apr-17-04 | | iron maiden: When I saw the name Fischer as the first player in the daily problem, I kept looking for combinations for White. Finally baffled, I looked again at the puzzle and saw that it was "Black to play and win"! |
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| Apr-17-04 | | fatbaldguy: One mustn't forget that Garcia Palermo is a talented player, lately his ranking has been about 2500 or so but I think it's been higher. I don't know what it was at the time this game was played, but it's not so surprising that someone with the skills of a future IM (or maybe GM, I'm not sure) could win in a simul, even against a great player. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | alphee: It seemed to me that 12. ... Nxe4 was an appealing sacrifice to free up the Bishop in e8 but the question was about White next move: 13.Bxe4, Qxe4 or Nxe4? None of them gave a clear result and even if after Bh4, Qf2 gave a check mate,it was not forced. I did not think Black could win due to what I see as a White counter attack that failed. Sometime the treatment is worst than the disease.... |
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| Apr-17-04 | | pinakin8: What is wrong with 13. Nxe4 ? |
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| Apr-17-04 | | badbadLeroyBrown: Nxe4 allows Rd1# |
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| Apr-17-04 | | LuisGLopez: I felt very happy (and surprised!) when I saw that today's puzzle is from the only game I uploaded! :-) In the magazine where I found the game there are a lot of info about García Palermo. It says that he won Schweber at 11 years old; it seems that a german GM, Paul Michel (never heard from him), "saw him as a future champion". |
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| Apr-17-04 | | filipecea: This guy won Karpov too... He's a good player. |
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| Apr-17-04 | | InspiredByMorphy: <David S. Brummer> 12.hxg4 13.Qf2# |
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| Apr-17-04 | | LuisGLopez: <IBM> 12.hxg4 Qf2+ 13.Kxf2 :-) |
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| Apr-18-04 | | crafty: 12. hxg4 ♘xg4 13. ♘h3 ♗h4+ 14. ♔f1 ♘f2 15. g3  (eval 2.93; depth 12 ply; 1000M nodes) |
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| Apr-18-04 | | InspiredByMorphy: Sorry. I was thinking 13.hxg4 Qf2# I got to pay more attention to the move numbers next time! :) |
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| Apr-18-04 | | InspiredByMorphy: Fischer might have drawn with 11. e5 O-O-O 12. exf6 Bxf6 13. Nge2 Rhe8 14. Kf1 It seems to me 11.h3 is the blunder. However, before he had a chance to do so, Palermo could have played 9.Qxb5 10. Nxb5 Nxd4 11. Nxd4 O-O-O 12. Ngf3 Bc5 An alternate option for black earlier in the game was 7.Qxd1+ and in my opinion, would have led to a better game instantly for Palermo after 8. Kxd1 Nxe4 9. Be3 Bg4+
10. Nf3 O-O-O+ |
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| Apr-18-04 | | ConLaMismaMano: GM Carlos García Palermo is currently ranked 2444. In Chessbase, his maximum ranking ever achieved was 2550 in 1986 when he was 33 years old (he was born in 1953). |
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| Apr-18-04 | | Lancet: Maybe this rarely played line in Falkbeer (4.Bb5+, 5...Nxc6) is worth further analysis. I, too, like <InspiredByMorphy>, think that 11.h3 is White's greatest mistake. It creates a hole at g3, as if white King was not enough exposed. But first of all, it allows Black to further increase his lead in development (to incredible 3 moves, being White!). However, I don't think that 11.e5, yet another pawn move, suggested by <InspiredByMorphy>, is the best alternative. That bacause after 11...Nh5 (threatning 12...Bh4+ 13.g3 Nxg3) 12.g3 Black is still allowed to further increase his lead in development AND is threatning with ...Bc5, ...Bf2+, ...Nxg3+, etc. Better continuations might be the aggressive 11.Nd5 or just simple development 11.Bd2 followed by 12.Ne2. |
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