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Lajos Steiner vs Savielly Tartakower
Bad Niendorf (1927), Bad Niendorf GER, rd 2, Aug-07
French Defense: Rubinstein Variation (C10)  ·  0-1



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Feb-12-07  suenteus po 147: What are the benefits of 5.gxf6 over the more natural looking (to me, anyway) 5.Qxf6? When I first saw the move, I thought Tartakower was trying to be funny.
Feb-12-07  nescio: <suenteus po 147> It seems to me that 5...gxf6 is the lesser of two evils. Black doesn't do very well, but after the alternative 5...Qxf6 6.Nf3 the threat Bg5 is distinctly unpleasant. Two examples:

with ...Bd7: Tarrasch vs Lasker, 1908

with ...h6: Gufeld vs Alburt, 1974

In both games White is clearly better early in the middle-game.

Feb-12-07  suenteus po 147: <nescio> Thanks for that. I've been experimenting with the Rubinstein Variation recently to avoid tradition French Tarrasch setups (which I suck at). So in the case of the immediate knight exchange I wanted to know how 5.gxf6 looked over 5.Qxf5. I think I have a clearer picture now :)
Feb-12-07  nescio: <suenteus po 147> Tartakower played moves like 4...Nf6 under the motto: "Dubious, therefore playable", but for common mortals the traditional preparation of ...Nf6 with 4...Nd7 or 4...Be7 might be a better or at least a safer choice.
Feb-13-07  suenteus po 147: <nescio: but for common mortals the traditional preparation of ...Nf6 with 4...Nd7 or 4...Be7 might be a better or at least a safer choice.> I appreciate the solid alternatives and I will note them. However, I've become nearly obsessed with every facet of Tartakower, from biography to playing style, and I want to learn to play with the same philosophy that he does (I could never duplicate his style). Therefore, dubious moves are where I'm at :)
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