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Ludwig Roedl vs Ludwig Engels
Roedl - Engels Match (1930), GER, rd 2
Sicilian Defense: Classical Variation. General (B56)  ·  1-0



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Oct-24-04  clocked: Is this the line (9.Bf4) that refutes 6...g6? or is it something else?
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  FSR: <clocked> Contrary to received wisdom, there is no refutation to 6...g6. I have been analyzing it with Houdini 3, which shows Black equalizing in every line. 9.Bf4 might be White's best try, but after 9...d5! 10.Nxd5 Bg7! 11.Nc3 Qb6 12.0-0 Nxe5 13.Bb3 Ba6 14.Re1 Rd8, Black is OK!, as Adorjan would say.
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  Phony Benoni: It may be playable, but Black must play well afterwards. Schlechter vs Lasker, 1910 for a particularly harrowing example.

I once had a funny experience in the position after <10.Qf3>:

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This was a correspondence game, and I was happy to see my opponent fall into the trap <10...dxe5 11.Bxf7+>. Of course Black can't take the bishop because of 12.Be3+ winning the queen.

So the next card comes back with <11...Kxf7>, and this conditional sequence: <12.Bxe5+ Kg8 13.Bxh8 Kxh8>. I managed to suppress my instincts long enough to actually look at the results of the sequence:

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"Anything you say", I thought. "Anything you say."

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  FSR: <Phony Benoni> I played over Schlechter-Lasker in Coles' <Epic Battles of the Chessboard> almost 40 years ago. I can see how your opponent's sequence of if-moves might have induced you to abandon your original intention of 12.Be3+.

I'm sure you know the funniest story (well, funny to everyone except Black) about an if-move: the guy who responded to 1.d4 with 1...g6 and "If any, then 2...Bg7." So White played 2.Bh6! Bg7 3.Bxg7, and Black resigned. This has apparently happened more than once, one of the beneficiaries being a friend of <perfidious>.

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  FSR: Games between these two constitute 11/19 of the Ludwig v. Ludwig contests, and games featuring one of them another 6/19.
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  Phony Benoni: <FSR> The best I've found so far is 1,278, but I have a feeling that's not the record.
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  FSR: <Phony Benoni> I don't understand. The best what?
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  Phony Benoni: <FSR> Sorry. You found 19 Ludwig v. Ludwig games. I kept looking until I found a similar match-up with 1,278 games.

It's not John v. John, which only has 320.

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