| Jun-19-05 | | Whitehat1963: Clearly one of the Player of the Day's better games. A masterful finish worthy of a puzzle of the day. |
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| Jun-19-05 | | korger: Hmm? I'm afraid I have to disagree, and proclaim that something is very wrong with this game. All of the final few moves qualify for serious blunders from both sides. First of all, 29. ... Rxf8 leads to a quick draw. At this point Black must have thought (correctly) that he could win, so he played instead 29. ... Kxf8.
White's next move 30. Qh7?? is suicide. The correct play was something like
30. Qf2+ Kg7 31. Qf7+ Kh8 32. g6 Qg5+, with chances for both sides. But even worse was Black's response 30. ... Qg5+?? Instead, 30. ... Bxe3+ 31. Kf1
Qc7 32. Qh8+ Ke7 and White's game is lost!
Finally, after 31. Kh1 Black resigns, though he could have held a draw with 31. ... Re7! 32. Qh8+ Qg8 33. Qf6+ Rf7
34. Bh6+ Ke8 etc.
Well, of course it's easy to be clever with a computer as my assistant. Nevertheless, this game could be called "The Comedy of Errors." |
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| Jun-19-05 | | gladiator367: <korger> most of your analysis i do not understand or agree with... first of all, i do not see how you say 30. Qh7 is suicide as it is a winning move, please explain.. then black can draw?!? if 31. Re7.. then 32. Qh8+ Qg8 33. Bh6+ Rg7 34. Bxg7+ grabbing the rook and soon grabbing the queen...horribly losing for Black, so please explain better, thanks. |
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| Jun-20-05 | | korger: <gladiator367> I'd rather you told me why you thought that 30. Qh7 was winning. There are many lines to consider, and I certainly don't want to list them all, this is why I gave only the (as I surmised) best continuation. The idea is that after
30. Qh7 Be3+ Black attains decisive material advantage, then 31. ... Qc7 provides shelter for the Black King on d8 where it can retreat: 32. Qh8+ Ke7 33. Qh7+ Kd8. Now the best White can do is to pick up the Bishop: 34. Qd3+ Qd7 35. Qxe3, but now White's attack is foiled and Black's advantage remains just too big. If you think there are any problems with this reasoning, please let me know <the moves> you'd play otherwise. Categorically declaring that a move is winning just because someone had played it and accidentally won, is no proof! Now for your second question: we agree on the continuation until move 33, from whence 33. Qf6+ Rf7 34. Bh6+ leads to perpetual check with the Bishop, and hence, to a draw. But if 33. Bh6+, then 33. ... Rg7 34. Bxg7+ Ke7. The rook on g7 fell, that's right, but the queen is protected by the other rook, and White has retained the exchange! Soon White's attack will run out of steam, and then he will be crushed, like 35. Bf6+ Kd7 36. Qxg8 Rxg8 37. h4 Rg1+ 38. Kh2 Ra1 39. Bf3 Rxa2+ etc. No, just when he resigned at move 31, Black could have secured himself a draw, or even the game, should White's precarious attack go astray at one point. But then again, one move earlier he could even have forced that win... |
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| Jun-20-05 | | Shams: well I'm missing everything today but it sure looks to me like black is better in the final position:
31 ...Re7
32.Qh8+ Qg8
33.Qf6+ Rf7
34.Bh6+ Ke8
35.Qxe6+ Kd8
36.Qd5+ Kc7
37.Qd6+ Kb7
38.Qd5+ Ka6
and the black king finds a happy home on a5. what am I missing? |
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| Jun-20-05 | | korger: <Shams> I agree with your line until move 35, but then White can play 35. Bg5! (threatening 36. Qe7#). Now 35. ... Rcc7 is answered by 36. Qd8#, and if 35. ... Kd7, then 37. Bxf7 Qf8 37. Qxe6+ Kc7 38. Be7 captures the Black queen, and wins for White. So Black's only reasonable answer at that point is 35. ... Kf8, which after 36. Bh6+ leads to a draw. |
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| Jun-20-05 | | Shams: <korger> you're right, I missed that. thanks. |
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| Jun-30-05 | | gladiator367: <korger> sorry i will explain 30. Qh7 better and why it is a winning move not suicide.. first its going to win because of threatining checkmate on f7, and if Qe7..Qh8#, so he is forced to do the following Qxg5+, then after Kh1, he simply loses. And the move that sealed it all was, Qe7. |
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| Jul-07-05 | | korger: <gladiator367: <korger> sorry i will explain 30. Qh7 better and why it is a winning move not suicide.. first its going to win because of threatining checkmate on f7,> The winner of a chess game is not the one who threatens with checkmate, but the one who delivers it. After 30. Qh7, White will never have a chance to finish his attack, if Black defends properly. <and if Qe7..Qh8#, so he is forced to do the following Qxg5+> Just like Black, you totally missed Qc7! Or better yet, pick up that hanging Bishop on e3 first, and then move the queen to c7. I've explained this all above, please read my message more carefully before answering. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 25.Rxh7