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Karl Gilg vs Isidore Censer
London Olympiad (1927), London ENG, rd 1, Jul-18
Indian Game: General (A45)  ·  1-0



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Nov-22-12  dfcx: <Rravshan> your line of play fails with 17...b6 And white loses the tempo
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  agb2002: The material is equal.

The first idea that comes to mind tries to take advantage of the defenseless bishop on e7 to weaken the black castle with 16.b4 Qxb4 17.Nd5 Qa4 18.Nxe7+ (the knight is trapped but) 18... Kh8 19.Ng6+ hxg6 (19... fxg6 20.Qxf8#) 20.Qh4+ Kg8 21.Ng5 and mate soon.

Nov-22-12  Rravshan: <dfcx> you are right!!, how could i overlook this? very stupid thing to do. although the rest are all forced.
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Nov-22-12  dimgrid: I saw the following winning line, similar that one found by to M. Hassan

16.b4 Qxb4
17.Nd5 Qa4
18.Nxe7+ Kh8
and now forced
19.Ng6+ Kg8

( 19... hxg6 leads to mate: 20. Qh4+ Kg8 21.Ng5! Nf6 22. exf6 wins)

20. Nxf8 Kxf8
21. Ng5 f6
22. exf6 gxf6
23. Nxh7

White is a Rook up and has passed pawns; the win is clear

Nov-22-12  Alphastar: There's no special reason for the 18. Bb4 as played in the game, and it is not a better move than 18. Nxe7+; white simply wanted black to either give up his queen (which seems the best, netting black a piece for the queen) or lose two pieces after Nxe7+ and then Bxc5.

Of course, as some people have already noted, white quickly gets a very strong (winning) attack after 18. Nxe7+ Kh8 and eg. 19. Ng6+ or 19. Ng5.

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  moronovich: Play it b4 it is too late.
Nov-22-12  Abdel Irada: <"Then methought the air grew denser,

Perfumed from some unseen censer....">

— Edgar Allan Poe, "The Raven"

Nov-22-12  morfishine: Black should be censored for his opening

Material is even but White has a much more efficient development

White is working towards a standard tactic with Bishop on <d2>, Knight on <c3>, Black Queen on <a5> & Black Bishop on <e7>: The White Knight threatens to hop to <d5> attacking both the Black Queen and Bishop. But an immediate 16.Nd5 doesn't work due to 16...Qd8 and both pieces are safe. White needs an in-between move to prepare <Nd5>

<16.b4> This wins on the spot since Black will lose material. Black has 3 choices: (1) capture the pawn, (2) retreat the Queen or (3) resign

(1) <16...Qxb4> Black figures its better to play a piece down with the Queens off

<17.Nd5> attacks the Queen and the unprotected Bishop

<17...Nd3> Hoping for 18.Bxd3 Qxf4 19.Bxf4

<18.Bxd3 Qxf4> But White has another in-between move: <19.Nxe7+> and is now two-pieces ahead after <19...Kh8 20.Bxf4>

(2) <16...Qd8> The most stubborn. Here, Black is willing to play a piece down with the Queens on;

<17.bxc5> and White wins a piece; Here, its difficult for Black to oragnize a defense; For example, after 17...Bxc5 18.Be3 Bxe3 19.Qxe3 White has another threat looming: 20.Bb5 winning another piece due to the pin on the Bishop; Or White can swarm the Black King position starting with 18.Ne4

Perhaps best is <17...Bc6 18.Ne4 Bxe4 19.Qxe4 Qc8 20.Bd3 g6 21.Bh6 Ng7 22.Bxg7 Kxg7 23.Rab1> Here I lost track visually, and was unable to settle on Black's best move, so I set up the position:

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Here, Black should try for counter play down the a-file with <23...b6> (and eventually threaten <f2>) hoping for 24.cxb6 axb6 25.Rxb6 Rxa2; but White simply tightens the screws with <24.c6> after <24...Qb8> (if 24...Rd8 25.Bc4 Qc7 26.Nd4 the threat against <e6> becomes too much) then <25.Nd4 Bc5 26.Ba6 Qe8> (If 26...Qc7 27.Nxe6+ fxe6 28.Rd7+) <27.Nb5>

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There are too many threats for Black to handle: (a) 28.Nc7 going up a whole rook, or (b) 28.Nd6 with two-connected passed pawns after 28...Bxd6 exd6 or (c) 28.Rd7

That was fun

Nov-22-12  Abdel Irada: Point of information, in case anyone is uncertain of the distinction: A censer is not the same as a censor. It is an incense-burner often used in religious ceremonies.
Nov-22-12  David2009: Gilg vs I Censer, 1927 is a very interesting example of how quickly Black can slide downhill in an apparently innocuous position. Rewind to the position at move 10 with Black to play:

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Black started to go wrong with the ambitious 10...Nc5 which would be excellent after 11.Qxd8 but can be well met by 11.Qe3! as in the game. Instead Herr Fritz recommends hitting the Bc4 with 10...Nb6. Now White cannot usefully avoid the Queen exchange leaving a more or less level middle game.

Crafty End Game Trainer is off-air at the time of posting. Here's a relatively difficult Q vs R ending for when it comes back: At the moment, it blanks out after you move.

My problem with Herr Fritz is that the program is simply too good and too comprehensive, and I end up being spoon-fed. Playing the EGT I often don't know if I am better or worse (usually I feel I ought to be better but just can't beat the darned machine unaided) so it's much more like playing a real game against a stronger opponent who has unaccountably slipped up. That said, Herr Fritz is excellent for post-mortem analysis of my games and for studying openings, middlegames and endings (in all three areas I feel weak).

Nov-22-12  Abdel Irada: <'s much more like playing a real game against a stronger opponent who has unaccountably slipped up.>

Now, you might think slipping up is easy to do, but have you really thought about it?

I've tried and tried to slip up, but some annoying thing called "gravity" keeps on interfering.

Nov-22-12  Bengambit: Ok,without looking at any answers to the puzzle is a good training tool for me,and today I looked first,then analyze every possible tactic that could win the game,and today I found a free bishop by using an pawn fork with; 16. b4! Qb4 17. Nd5 Qa4 or a3 18. Nxe7+ of if 16.b4 Qb6 17. bxc5 Bxc5 18.Rab1 gives black a few problems, Ok,now let's look at the answers......
Nov-22-12  Bengambit: Man,missed 18.Bb4!! Ok,got to look a little bit more next time.
Nov-22-12  Marmot PFL: 16 b4 (fork) and 17 Nd5 (discovered attack), an easy puzzle for the holiday.
Nov-22-12  Patriot: It looks like 16.b4 at least wins a piece for a pawn.

16...Qxb4 17.Nd5 Qa4 18.Nxe7+

16...exd5 17.Bxb4 dxc4 18.Nf5 to remove the knight from a potential trap. 18...Ne6 is possibe, but I wouldn't be too worried about this line though.

Nov-22-12  Patriot: my second line, I captured the knight on d5 and later moved it to f5. Obviously I'm still off my game...
Nov-22-12  M.Hassan: <dimgrid:White is a Rook up and has passed pawns; the win is clear>

Sure, White is a Rook up and has one passed pawn, the h pawn. Are there any other one?

Nov-22-12  k.khalil: b4! Forking the queen and knight.
Queen is forced to take b4, then Nd5!, queen takes shelter in a3 or a4, then Knight takes the biship check, kh8, Ng6+!, hxg6, Qh4+ and together with knight on g5, black king is asphyxiated!!
Nov-22-12  TheBish: Gilg vs I Censer, 1927

White to play (16.?) "Medium"

White has a discovered (and double) attack with 16. Nd5, but 16...Qd8 allows Black to defend. There is a big improvement however!

16. b4! Qxb4

The pawn fork puts the black queen on a bad square, very vulnerable to the knight move/ discovered attack, which now wins.

17. Nd5 and Black can resign, as he is losing a piece. Seems kind of easy for a Thursday.

Nov-22-12  LoveThatJoker: <16. b4! Qxb4 17. Nd5>


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  FSR: I actually didn't see the solution when I glanced at the problem last night. Looking at it afresh tonight, I saw it immediately: 16.b4! Qxb4 17.Nd5! and what Black muttered under his breath must be Censered, this being a family-friendly website.
Nov-23-12  Shams: Black's position smells like sandalwood when burnt.
Nov-23-12  avidfan: <<<M.Hassan: <<<<< 16.b4 Qxb4
17.Nd5 Qa4
18.Nxe7+ Kh8
19.Ng5 threatening mate by Nxf7
<if...Kxh7 21.Qh4#> 20.........Rf7
<if....Rxe7 22.Nxf6#> 21..........g6 22.Nxg6+ Kg7
23.Qh7+<<<<<should read:>>>>>>

23.Qh6+ Kg8

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Here we have a mate in two for anyone in need of a challenge.

Dec-05-12  fokers13: <avidfan> Ng5?(possibly mating with Qh8 or Qf8)
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