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Alexander Lastin vs Evgeny Bareev
Russia Team Championship (2004), Sochi RUS, rd 1, Apr-20
French Defense: Tarrasch Variation. Chistyakov Defense Modern Line (C07)  ·  0-1

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Feb-25-12  LoveThatJoker: <WinKing> Thanks, man! I'm truly happy today. Thank you for your kind words.

With utmost appreciation,

LTJ

Feb-25-12  Memethecat: <LTJ> I can't believe they wasted a years subscription on you, there should be a re-count...

ENJOY!! you deserve it mate. ^.^

Feb-25-12  LoveThatJoker: <Memethecat> :D Thanks for the birthday beats!

LTJ

Feb-25-12  James D Flynn: My first thought was the blasé 24…..Ng4. I saw that after 25.Rxc6+ Bxc6 White cannot move the Q because he is mated after f2+ but he can and probably should immediately return the material with 26.Qxf3 Bxf3 27.Rxf3 Rd1+ 28.Rf1 Rh1+ 29. Kxh1 Rxf1+ 30.Kg2 Rf2+ 31.Kg1 and White’s 2 bishops are at least the equal of Black’s R & N in the ending. My next try was 24.….Qb5 (threat Qh5) 25.Qxf3 Qc5+ 26.Qf2(Qe3 loses to Qh5 and White cannot defend both h1 and h2 nor can the K flee eg. 27. Kg2 Qh2+ 28.Kf3 Bg4# and Kg2 loses to Bh3+ when the Q and the Rom d6 fall) Qh5 27.Qg2 Ne4(amusing is Bh3 28.Rc6+ Kd7 29.Rc7+ Ke8 30.Qxb7 and White’s attack comes first) 28.Rd5 Qg6 29.Re1 f5 and in this complex position White’s mating threats are stymied by the strong N on e4, Black will now safely place his B on c6 with somewhat the better position but I did not find a win. Now for the game.
Feb-25-12  sevenseaman: <Rinus> award! I dunno what it means, or why me. Its like Santa Claus turning up on Mars.

I'll repeat a Russian story of KGB days. Someone asked a Russian what had been his life's greatest moment.

Said he "The KGB knocking on my door one early morning and saying 'Alexandrovich?' and me thumbing to my right 'next door'."

Happiness is a very relative thing. I am amazed if <hms123> <kutztown46> & <WinKing> have so perceptively noticed my recent 'argument' with <LTJ>, they surely wouldn't have missed my 'transgressions' which are many.

I can only infer they (on <CG>'s behalf) were 'majestically' indulgent and 'winked' at my peccadilloes to let me roam the town. The least I can do is to be grateful and sincerely try to be on good behavior for future.

One way or another, its never good being on the 'police records'. I better not misuse my parole.

Thanks to the trio.

If I tried to list all the people whose kibitzes I enjoy regularly, my comment will not come to an end. I'll briefly say there are plenty of wise people around here.

For instance, I really missed <Once>'s presence when he took a surprise, unwelcome sabbatical. When one chats one assumes an audience. And you just cannot have its 'crown jewel' missing.

My very close friend and another pearl I may not survive at all without is <morfishine>. His presence brings so much maturity and balance, it makes it worth my while being on the site.

Thanks all.

Feb-25-12  James D Flynn: As I said a few minutes ago "but he can and probably should immediately return the material with 26.Qxf3 Bxf3". I do not believe there is a win for Black after that.
Feb-25-12  Marmot PFL: <White’s 2 bishops are at least the equal of Black’s R & N in the ending.>

As much as I like the bishop pair they are not the equal of a rook plus knight.

Feb-25-12  WinKing: Congratulations <sevenseaman>! Your posts on the problems are always top notch. <hms123> & I may not be regulars here at POTD but we check in quite often. You have a good group here & it doesn't go unnoticed. :)
Feb-26-12  Once: <sevenseaman> You say peccadilloes, we say character. Good humour. Excellent analysis. It great to have you around.

Next you need an avatar and to get your forum opened...

Feb-26-12  CHESSTTCAMPS: I first looked at this late yesterday and found 24... Ng4! 25.Rxc6+ Bxc6 26.Qxf3! (Qe1?? f2+ 27.Rxf2 Rh1#) Bxf3 27.Rxf3 where the endgame is tricky. One possibility is 27... Rd1+ 28.Rf1 (Kg3?? Rh2#) Rxf1+ 28.Kxf1 Rh1+ 29.K moves Rb1 winning the b-pawn, but I'm not convinced this is a clear win. Time to review game and kibitzing...
Feb-26-12  CHESSTTCAMPS: I think that <David2009> and I were both right: 26.Qxf3! is much tougher than 26.Bxf7, an over-finesse that forces white to surrender the bishop pair.
Feb-26-12  sevenseaman: Thanks <once>. Yes we read the same dictionary, peccadilloes are small flaws of character. It takes lot of resolve to keep them out and away. We keep violating <CG>'s posting guidelines, at times rather grossly.

You somewhere alluded to my handle thinking it has nautical connections. Far from it. The day I registered I had David Seaman, the famous England goalkeeper on my mind. I used to like his keeping that was only marred by a famous long distance goal scored against him by Ronaldinho in a WC semifinal(I think) against Brazil.

I just added 7 before it, the number I like. That was it, 7cman. I like your avatar the best. Lot of bright light trying to pour through vertical slats (or slits)in an electric turquoise background.

Feb-26-12
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  LIFE Master AJ: 24...Ng4!
Dec-27-19
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  al wazir: Once again I got the first move but not the continuation -- despite having analyzed the game and posted on it when it was used in a previous puzzle.
Dec-27-19  Jamboree: <CHESSTTCAMPS: I first looked at this late yesterday and found 24... Ng4! 25.Rxc6+ Bxc6 26.Qxf3! (Qe1?? f2+ 27.Rxf2 Rh1#) Bxf3 27.Rxf3 where the endgame is tricky. One possibility is 27... Rd1+ 28.Rf1 (Kg3?? Rh2#) Rxf1+ 28.Kxf1 Rh1+ 29.K moves Rb1 winning the b-pawn, but I'm not convinced this is a clear win.>

I looked at that line as well, but the key is on move 29 where you say simply "29.K moves Rb1 winning the b-pawn," since actually after 29. Ke2! Rb1 30. Kd2!, now black can't take the pawn Rxb2 because Kc1! traps the rook.

To avoid this, black has a subtle improvement: 26.Qxf3! Bxf3 27.Rxf3 Rd1+ 28.Rf1 Rh1+! 29. Kxh1 Rxf1+ 30. Kg2 and NOW 30. ... Rb1 and the king is too far way to trap the rook. Even so, it's well-known that 2 bishops are nearly equal to rook+knight in an endgame with open lines, so black does not have an easy win there at all.

Dec-27-19  Walter Glattke: 21.-e4 is NOT -0.33, it is won for black. About -3.00. Monday puzzle, I think.
Dec-27-19  tonim: Is this really friday puzzle ? 21. ... e4 is so natural and easy move to find. After 22. Bf4 exf3 white could play 23. Qxf3 with equal chances in middlegame. I don't get it.
Dec-27-19  The17thPawn: Couldn't figure out how to handle 24. Qa7.
Dec-27-19  Walter Glattke: 22.Bf4 Qc5+ 23.Nd4 Bg4 24.Qf3 Qh5 25.Kf2 Bxd1 / 23.Be3 Qh5 24.Nh5 QxQ or 24.Qg2 exf3, so -3.00 is always there, you'll get the knight.
Dec-27-19  malt: 21...e4 22.Bf4 ef3 23.Q:f3
(23.B:c7 fe2 24.B:d8 ef1/Q+ )

Qc5+ 24.Be3 Qc7 (...Qe7 )

Prefer 21.Qc4 or 21.Ng5 to 21.fg3

Dec-27-19  mel gibson: I saw the first move and it looked powerful
but it wasn't.

Stockfish 10 is calling it close to a draw.

(21. .. e4

(e5-e4 ♗e3-f4 e4xf3 ♕e2xf3
♕c7-c5+ ♗f4-e3 ♕c5-e7 ♖d1-d3 ♗d7-b5 ♖d3-c3+ ♔c8-b8 ♖f1-e1 ♕e7-d7 ♗e3-f4+ ♔b8-a8 ♖c3-c7 ♕d7-d4+ ♗f4-e3 ♕d4-e4 ♕f3xe4 ♘f6xe4 ♔g1-g2 ♘e4-f6 ♗b3xf7 ♗b5-c6+ ♖c7xc6 b7xc6 ♗f7-g6 ♘f6-d5 ♗e3-c5 a6-a5 ♖e1-e4 ♖h8-h6 ♗g6-f5 ♖h6-f6 ♖e4-e5 ♘d5-c7 ♗f5-d3 ♖d8-d5 ♖e5xd5 ♘c7xd5 ♗c5-d4 ♖f6-f7 ♗d3-g6 ♖f7-e7 ♔g2-f3 ♔a8-b7 ♗g6-f5 ♔b7-c7 c2-c4 ♘d5-b4) +0.21/38 148)

score for Black +0.21 depth 38

Dec-27-19
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  scormus: I see I'm not alone in finding the first move easy, but unsure about the continuation. 22 Bf4 is a perfectly natural reply (and according to White and Mel Gibson's SF) tbe move to play.

I haven't yet run my engine on it, but I couldn't see what was wrong with 22 ... Qc5+. 23 Nd4 Bg5 and I don't see how White avoids loss of material. I suppose I need to run the engine to see why 22 ... Qc5+ doesn't work

Dec-27-19  saturn2: White is up a piece. I reckoned after 21...e4 white can give back to piece fight for a draw

22. Bf4 exf3 23. Rxf3 (not Bxc7) Qb6+ 24. Be3 or

22 Qc4 or

22. Kf2 exf3 23. Qc4 

Dec-27-19
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  scormus: OK, so after 22 ... Qc5+ 23 Nd4 Bg5, W has 24 Qc4! which forces Q-exchange. B can pick up the exchange but not the loose N as well .....
Dec-27-19  King.Arthur.Brazil: I found 21...e5! but proposed 22...♕c5+ 23.♕f2 ♕h5. Black move is best because it recovers the piece ♘ and place a dangerous ♙ in f3. I also see the move 24...♘g4! which the line of the game seems forced, since any 25. ♕ move (e.g. ♕e1, ♕d2, ♕d4) then 25... f2+ 26. ♖xf2 ♖h1#. White cannot play 29.♖xf2 because of the sequence: 29... ♖d1+ 30. ♖f1 ♖h1+ 31. ♔xh1 ♖xf1+ 32. ♔h2 ♖f2+ 33. ♔g1 ♖xc2 34. ♗e5 g5!, where the game is over. However, I don't like the answer 29... ♖h2+, "bad players cannot avoid to give checks"! I prefer: 29...Rf7! Then, 30.♔xf3? g5, win the ♗. Maybe, it will follow: 30. ♖c1 g5 31. ♗xg5 ♖h2+ 32. ♔g1 ♖g2+ 33. ♔f1 ♖xg3. If 32.♔f1 ♖c7 33. c3 ♖xb2) 33.♗f4 ♖7xc2 34.♖xc2 ♖xc2 35. ♗e5 ♔d7 36. g4 ♔e6 37. ♗c3 ♔f7 38. g5 ♔g6 39. ♗f6 b5 40. ♔g1 a5 41. ♔f1 b4 42. ♔g1 a4 43. ♔f1 a3 44. bxa3 bxa3 45. ♗e7 ♖xa2 with easy win.
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