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George Hatfeild Gossip vs Ellen E Strong Gilbert
"Mate in 35" (game of the day May-03-2004)
US-Britain corr. match (1879) (correspondence)
Spanish Game: Open Variations. Friess Attack (C80)  ·  0-1

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May-03-04  Benjamin Lau: Haha, the wonders of correspondence chess.
May-03-04  TrueFiendish: Anyone care to give the variations? :-) This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy: Gossip was well known as a manufacturer of paste diamonds passed off as his own brilliancies.
May-03-04  shr0pshire: No one solved the mate in 35 in under a second? Aw c'mon you patzers. Seriously, jeesh. ;)
May-03-04  Benjamin Lau: We should be all shamed for sure shropshire.
May-03-04
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  Chessical: I doubt whether there is an exact mate in 35, but I believe that with reasonable play that White cannot avoid mate from the final position if he choses to "fight" on long enough. It is a striaghtforward and rather static endgame.

The g pawn will eventually cost him his B, and then he cannot hold his Q-side together.

<42.e4> g5 43.hxg5 hxg5 44.Bd8 Bxe4 45.Kxa4 c6 46.Kxb3 Kf4 47.Kc4 g4 48.b4 Bg2 49.Bf6 Bf1+ 50.Kc3 g3 51.Bd4 Bc4 52.Kd2 Kf3 53.Ke1 Kg2 54.Be3 Kh1 55.Kd2 g2 56.Kc3 Bb5 57.Kd4 g1Q 58.Bxg1 Kxg1 59.Ke5 Kf2 60.Kd4 Ke2 61.Kc3 Ke3 62.Kc2 Ke4 63.Kc3 Kd5 64.Kb3 Kd4 65.Kb2 Kc4 66.Ka3 Kc3 67.Ka2 Kxb4 68.Kb2 Kxc5 69.Kc3 Bf1 70.Kb3 Kd4 71.Kc2 Bd3+ 72.Kb2 c5 73.Ka2 c4 74.Kb2 c3+ 75.Kb3 c2 76.Kb2 Ke4 77.Ka3 c1Q+ 78.Kb3 Qc4+ 79.Ka3 Qb5 80.Ka2 Bc2 <81.Ka1 Qb1#> is the best I could do, missing by four moves!

Can anyone find the elusive mate in 35?

May-03-04  ruylopez900: I don't think I would have the guts to announce a mate in 35! =D. But IMHO Black is winning in the final position.
May-03-04  Lawrence: <TrueFiendish>, by a coincidence precisely today in chesscafé Edward Winter once again defends Gossip and shows that certain people who were repeating another's unjustified criticisms of G. have now retracted their accusations. http://www.chesscafe.com/winter/win...
May-03-04  Abecedarian: I notice a conspicuous silence from that abusive loudmouth who's been posting lately. Hmmm, perhaps even the great ones can't call mate in 35. Damn fine attempt, though, <Chessical>
May-03-04
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  kevin86: Was the mate demonstrated? It takes a lot of chutzpa to announce a mate in 35-and by a woman in the 19th century!! Wow!! Remember this was an era that many famous women disguised themselves or signed their names,as men.
May-03-04
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  Chessical: Another attempt, this time mating in 34, I hope that it does not contain any obvious errors:

<42.e4 g5> 43.hxg5 hxg5 44.Bd8 Kf4 45.e5 g4 46.Bxc7 g3 47.e6+ Kf3 48.Be5 g2 49.Bd4 Ke2 50.e7 Kf1 51.Kc3 g1Q 52.Bxg1 Kxg1 53.Kd3 Kf2 54.Kd2 Kf3 55.Kd3 Kf4 56.Kc4 Ke5 57.Kb4 Ke6 58.Kc4 Kxe7 59.Kb4 Ke6 60.Kc4 Ke5 61.Kc3 Ke4 62.Kc4 Ke3 63.Kc3 Ke2 64.Kb4 Kd2 65.Ka3 Kc2 66.Kb4 Kxb2 67.Ka5 a3 68.Kb6 a2 69.Kxc6 a1Q 70.Kb7 Ka3 71.Kc8 Qf6 72.Kc7 Qe7+ 73.Kb6 b2 74.c6 b1Q+ 75.Ka6 Qc5 <76.c7 Qbb6#>

Three cheers for Mrs Gilbert! I now leave this to other and better players to progress.

May-03-04  notsodeepthought: If a player announces mate in "x" moves, and then fails to do so, does he simply wind up with egg on his face, or are there more serious consequences? Is there any rule in this regard, depending maybe on the tournament?
May-03-04  acirce: There is no rule, but it is probably considered bad behavior today...
May-03-04
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  tpstar: Here's the source for today's Game which discusses their personal attributes: http://chessgrrl.bravejournal.com/a...
May-03-04  Whitehat1963: Mate in 35?? How long did that ridiculous calculation take?
May-03-04  ruylopez900: <Whitehat> Don't know, butt it was a correspondance game, so she definitely had the time to figure it out.
May-03-04  Lawrence: <tpstar> and <everybody>, just in case anyone doesn't know, that link is to our very own <SBC>.
May-03-04  acirce: I don't think you could calculate a mate in 35 and be sure in a position like this back in 1879 without computers. After looking at the position for a while I feel it's unlikely that there exists one.
May-03-04  nikolaas: Maybe he just said that to create a discuccion like this? He could be pretty sure that people would remember it and talk about it.
May-03-04
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  tamar: Here is what Steinitz had to say in his column, and his variation. http://ajec-echecs.org/articles/gil... Unfortunately I could only find it in French, and used the google translator.

"Lady Europe is nowadays accustomed to see its greater work reduced to the size of dwarves compared to gigantic companies of our young sister of in addition to the Atlantic. Our players are very proud if they can announce a chechmate in a half-dozen of blows, whereas Mrs. Gilbert, famous the championne of Americas carries this number to three dozen. The diagram illustrates the position after the 42ème blow of the White in the part opposing Mr. Gossip (White) and Mrs. Gilbert (Blacks) played in the meeting by correspondence England - America. Mrs. Gilbert, to avoid useless sufferings with her adversary, presented to him, courteously, this chechmate very runs in 35 blows "

42... g5 43.hxg5 hxg5 44.Fd8 Rf4 45.e5 g4 46.Fxc7 g3 47.e6+ Rf3 48.Fe5 g2 49.Fd4 Re2 50.e7 Rf1 51.Rc3 g1D 52.Fxg1 Rxg1 53.Rd3 Rf2 54.Rd2 Rf3 55.Rd3 Rf4 56.Rc4 Re5 57.Rb4 Re6 58.Rc4 Rxe7 59.Rb4 Re6 60.Rc4 Re5 61.Rc3 Re4 62.Rc4 Re3 63.Rc3 Re2 64.Rb4 Rd2 65.Ra3 Rc2 66.Rb4 Rxb2 67.Ra5 a3 68.Rb6 a2 69.Rxc6 a1D 70.Rd7 Ra3

The only blow for the promptest end.

71.c6 b2 72.c7 b1D 73.c8D Dd4+ 74.Re7

All this is perfectly exact and they are the best blows of the White which are indicated.

74... Dh7+ 75.Re6 Dg6+ 76.Re7 Dd6 # 0-1

May-03-04  Vischer: <42... g5 43.hxg5 hxg5 44.Fd8 Rf4 45.e5 g4 46.Fxc7 g3 47.e6+ Rf3 48.Fe5 g2 49.Fd4 Re2 50.e7 Rf1 51.Rc3 g1D 52.Fxg1 Rxg1 53.Rd3 Rf2 54.Rd2 Rf3 55.Rd3 Rf4 56.Rc4 Re5 57.Rb4 Re6 58.Rc4 Rxe7 59.Rb4 Re6 60.Rc4 Re5 61.Rc3 Re4 62.Rc4 Re3 63.Rc3 Re2 64.Rb4 Rd2 65.Ra3 Rc2 66.Rb4 Rxb2 67.Ra5 a3 68.Rb6 a2 69.Rxc6 a1D 70.Rd7 Ra3

The only blow for the promptest end.

71.c6 b2 72.c7 b1D 73.c8D Dd4+ 74.Re7

All this is perfectly exact and they are the best blows of the White which are indicated.

74... Dh7+ 75.Re6 Dg6+ 76.Re7 Dd6 # 0-1
>
why not 46.e6?

May-03-04  iron maiden: Actually <acirice> and <notsodeepthought>, since the game was correspondence, announcing mate probably would not be frowned on, since it wouldn't disturb anyone else's thinking.
May-03-04  Lawrence: <tamar>, wonderful, thanks for finding that, but it's not Steinitz's variation: "courteously presents to him this very short mate in 35" means that she actually wrote it out and sent it to Gossip, who accepted it and resigned. F is Bishop, R is King, and D is Queen.
May-03-04  Vischer: still, in tamar's variation 46.e6 is still probably winning for black, but I don't know if it's still mate in 35
May-03-04
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  tamar: <Vischer> Those moves are actually from Steinitz. Whether he is using Ellen Gilbert's variation, I don't know. I would assume when you send a postcard with "Mate in 35" on it, you include some moves!
May-03-04
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  tamar: I see now. Thank you <Lawrence> It is her 35 move variation, presented and approved by Steinitz. Not bad.
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