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Wilhelm Steinitz vs NN
"Better to Give Than to Receive" (game of the day May-10-2004)
Odds game (1874) (unorthodox), London ENG
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May-10-04  Elrathia Kingi: Even against NN, this is a pretty mate. Of course, the game is essentially lost from 6...Na6.
May-10-04  TrueFiendish: Chessgames: it's a minor point, but would white's a-pawn have been on a3, which is/was the convention in rook odds games?
Premium Chessgames Member That's not how it was submitted.
May-10-04  iron maiden: A-pawn on a3? I never heard anything like that, even for rook-odds games. What's supposed to be the purpose?
May-10-04  TrueFiendish: So that the a-pawn has natural protection at the start of the game, as it would have if the rook were present. I swear it's common practice, or was.
May-10-04  weary willy: I think True is right - have a look at some collection of Morphy's games ... don't know if it was *always* the case tho'
May-10-04  TrueFiendish: weary, maiden et al: I guess the idea is that the lack of protection of the a-pawn should not become an issue strategically or tactically, thereby somewhat spoiling the point of the odds play. I dunno.
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  Honza Cervenka: By the way, not all, but majority of Tarrasch's Rook odds games published in his Dreihundert Schachpartien were played with Pawn on a3. Steinitz played his Rook odds games usually with a-Pawn on a2.
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  kevin86: Rook odds with pawn on a3-just a matter of taste-lack of protection? The queen's knight is also unprotected,nothing is done about that.

White giving up his queen at h5,what a hoot! I know how bad black was when Steinitz captured the pawn at e5 and got away with it! That is usually a taboo in KG.

May-10-04  aragorn69: Pillsbury may have played the exact same combination in 1901. Or he may not...

See C.N. 3288 :

May-10-04  somethingstrong: Generally, I've seen with studies, traps, NN games, etc. how one, possibly two poor moves can be punished enough to clinch a game. This game is ridiculous though. Black shuffles pieces around, oblivious to every threat. It's difficult to glean insight from a game with one side playing suboptimal moves the entire game!
May-10-04  TrueFiendish: kevin86: the queen's knight is not protected but the chances of that playing any significant part are pretty infinitesimal.
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  kevin86: Just kidding-after all,in the regular set-up both rooks are unprotected,right?

Like everything around that time-style was big.

May-11-04  TrueFiendish: kevin86: true, but that's the original set-up. My (somewhat erroneous) presumption was that the idea with odds was to create a situation as similar as possible to typical chess play but with less material, so black isn't going to get, for instance, the chance to go Qa5+ and Qxa2. I thought the pawn on a3 thing was the rule but, as you pointed out earlier, it's probably a question of taste.
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  GrahamClayton: Nice deflection sacrifice with 13. ♕h5, removing the black rook from defending the g8-square.

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