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Stanislav Sery vs Zoltan Vecsey
Brno (1921), Brno CSR
Spanish Game: Marshall Attack. Original Marshall Attack (C89)  ·  1-0

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Jun-04-12  PugtheThug: It is Qxf7. Black can't win with either Rxf7 or the King move.
Jun-04-12  sevenseaman: Its never easy to work your way through a traffic snarl.

#92176


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Black t.p. & w.

Jun-04-12  pericles of athens: queen takes

rook mates

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Jun-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Aura glean the gumball after tile in g3 a l0 qxf7 applique Sery Sery

of furrows the brow Rxf7 aceing entomb rooke8 facing cashing black

king in as centre plan evermore in it down on me launches pack

lefted rank mate.

Jun-04-12  TheTamale: <Once>: Yes, exactly. Black thinks he has delivered the socko crunch, and then he gets biffed by the two pieces he thought he just pinned. Classic stuff!
Jun-04-12  Patriot: Oh, I recognize this pattern (seen it on CTS). 17.Qxf7+ Rxf7 18.Re8# or 17...Kh8 18.Qxf8#.
Jun-04-12  number 23 NBer: <sevenseaman> Nice puzzle! It's 1...♖e1 2 ♕xe1 ♘xf3+, picking up the queen, right?
Jun-04-12  john2629: Looking at the main page i realized that this is a failed marsall attack :)

and of course tha traditional queen sac of monday.

Jun-04-12  Jim Bartle: I don't even see why this is a puzzle. Black takes the white queen and follows by taking the white rook. Easy.

Oops. "White to play."

Jun-04-12  mistreaver: Qxf7 and mate next move
Jun-04-12
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  FSR: <SimonWebbsTiger> B: I remember the name of Steinitz Wilhelm!
Jun-04-12  sevenseaman: <number 23 NBer> Absolutely. Excellent line of thought in a confusing situation.
Jun-04-12
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  kevin86: Didn't Capablanca have this same game? He played 16...♗h2+ 17 ♔f1 ♗g3 and wins the exchange as the text combination fails 18 ♕xf7+?? ♖xf7+ and there is no mate as the check must be met!
Jun-04-12
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  FSR: <kevin86> As <PhonyBenoni> and others have said, this is a variation that could have arisen in Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918. Capa played 16.Re2! instead of 16.Qxf2?, doubtless seeing the trap (or rather both traps - 16...Bg3?? and 16...Bh2+!).
Jun-04-12
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  kevin86: <FSR>You are correct,I just remember that the position involved Capa,but not sure how-thanks for the clarification.
Jun-04-12  gambler: ok, first I sac the queen....

and then I deliver mate. tricky mates everywhere.

mondays hooray :)

Jun-04-12  Crispy Seagull: Queen sac Monday!
Jun-04-12  David2009: As others have pointed out, this is a book trap in the Marshall attack original version. 16.Qxf2!? appears to be a plausible mistake. In Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 Capablanca playing against an analysis found 16.Re1-e2! OTB. After 16.Qf2 Black has 16...Bh2+ 17.Kf1 Bg3 to reach


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Has Black enough for the sacrificed piece?

Three games in <chessgames.com>'s database reach this position. Two(!) ended with 18.Qxf7+?? Rxf7+ 0-1 (J W Te Kolste vs Loman, 1921 and L Steiner vs K Helling, 1928). In A J Martinez vs B Hallaeva, 2002 White gave back material with Qf3!? but quickly ran into trouble. He then defended magnificently to bring home the half point despite being a Pawn and the exchange down for a long time.

Curious to see if White had anything better, I set up the colours-reversed position at move 16:


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with a link to Crafty End Game Trainer: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t....

After the colours-reversed equivalents of 16...Bh2+ 17.Kf1 Bg3, the robot holds on to its piece with the CR equivalent of 18.Qd2 when Bxh3!? seems necessary (otherwise Black has nothing for the material lost) 19.gxh3 Qxh3+ 20.Kg1 Bxe1 21.Qxe1 Rae8 22.Qf2 Qg4+ 23.Kf1 when Black can either draw by repetition with Qh3+ or play for more with 23...Re6 24.Bxe6 fxe6 25.Ke1 Rxf2 26.Kxf2 h5 which much to my surprise works out well - White's pieces are so badly placed that QPP can outplay KBN. Enjoy finding a colours-reversed win!

Jun-04-12  Powerthinker: Black would able to win this game. Instead of the fatal blunder 16...Bg3?? Black would can play this continuation: 16...Bh2+!17.Kf1 Bg3.18.Qe2 B:h3!19.gh Rae8!20.Q:e8 Q:h3+.21.Kg1 Qh2+.22.Kf1 Qf2#.
Jun-04-12  BOSTER: <FSR> <as a kid I didn't understand the difference between the two positions>.

The difference is very subtle even for adult. After in-between move 16...Bh2+ game is excellent for black.

To understand that the white queen is losing a power,when the white king on the same file, and both against black rook it is not easy.

Jun-04-12  dark.horse: I learned this type of combination from Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess (many years ago).
Jun-05-12  dragon player: Black has made a mistake when he played 16...Bg3. This move refutes it:

17.Qxf7+ Rxf7
18.Re8#

Time to check.

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Right indeed.

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Jun-05-12  LoveThatJoker: Monday, June 4th, 2012

<17. Qxf7+! Rxf7>

(17...Kh8 18. Qxf8#)

<18. Re8#>

LTJ

Nov-29-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: < Abecedarian: ....Meanwhile the rest of us can stick to the progressively difficult monday through sunday stuff without being told what a bunch of patzers we are whenever some pendejo announces how many milliseconds it took to find the sollution?>

Eight years on, and there are those of us who continue to devoutly wish for such posters to disappear, or at least not share their surpassing brilliance with the unwashed masses at every turn....

Sep-20-14  Whitehat1963: Love this finish!
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