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Hermann von Gottschall vs Siegbert Tarrasch
"Gottscha!" (game of the day Mar-05-2018)
Nuremberg (1888), Nuremberg GER, Aug-??
French Defense: Winawer. Advance Variation General (C16)  ·  0-1



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Jun-14-05  Knight13: It's funny how all pieces eventually lines up on the a-file. And all thoes King moves Black made which was both useless and useful. Very interesting game!
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  Honza Cervenka: Is the year of the game correct? If I remember it correctly, this game was played in the second round of tournament within the second congress of Bavarian Chess Society (Bayerische Schachbund) in August of 1888. The game was certainly published in Tarrasch's Dreihundert Schachpartien and it was written before 1896 (I have not my copy just now and so I cannot look in it but I am quite sure of that.)
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  Pawn and Two: The second congress of the Bavarian chess federation at Nuremberg 1888 was a double round tournament of 6 players. Tarrasch won the tournament with a score of 6. Von Gottshall and Mieses were next with 5 1/2. L. Paulsen and Harmonist scored 5 points and Metger 3. Von Gottshall did win his 6th round game against Tarrasch. First place was ultimately determined by Tarrasch's 10th round win over Paulsen.
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  Pawn and Two: My last entry should read: Von Gottschall did win his 7th (not 6th) round game against Tarrasch.
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  keypusher: Useless but interesting: Black's queen sits on e7 from move 38 to move 74.
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  Pawn and Two:

Fritz 11 indicates 75.Nf1 was White's best move, with the following continuation: (.32) (25 ply) 75...Rb6 76.Qd2 Rb1 77.Kf2 a5 78.Ra2 Qb3 79.Ne3 a4, and now, (.00) (25 ply) 80.Qc2 b4 81.cxb4 Qxc2+ 82.Rxc2 axb4 83.Nxc4 dxc4 84.Rxc4, with a drawn position.

After 75.Nf1, Black could also try, (.64) (25 ply), 75...b5 76.Qd2 Ra4 77.Ne3 a5 78.Qe2 Qe7 79.Ra2 Qb7, and now (.77) (25 ply), 80.Nd1 Qb6 81.Kf2 Kg6 82.Qb2 Rxa2 83.Qxa2 b4 84.Ke3 Kh6 85.Qb2 Qb5 86.Qa1, and after 86...Qb6 87.Kd2 bxc3 88.Qxc3, Black may be able to draw, but it is best to take the clear drawing line with the move 75...Rb6.

At move 80, White's best try was 80.Na3. Black then has good winning chances with the continuation: (-.41) (27 ply) 80...a6 81.Nc2 a5 82.Ne3 b4 83.Qc2, and now, (-1.42) (27 ply) 83...Qa3 84.Ke2 b3 85.Qb1 a4, (-1.66 ) (25 ply) 86.Kd2 Kg6 87.Ke2 Qe7 88.Qa1 a3 89.Nd1, (-1.85) (24 ply) 89...a2 90.Nb2 f6 91.exf6 Kxf6 92.Nd1, and now, (-4.41) (21 ply) 92...Qa7 93.Ke3 Kf7 94.Kd2 e5 95.fxe5 Qa6 96.e6+ Qxe6 97.Qb2 Qe4 98.Qa3 Qd3+ 99.Ke1 Qxg3+, and Black is winning.

Jul-18-08  ravel5184: <Minor Piece Activity>, here's one for your Game Collection: King activity!
Jan-22-09  WhiteRook48: 100 moves... well, at least White didn't resign on move 99! :)
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  offramp: <WhiteRook48: 100 moves..> Olga is only showing 42 moves.
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: To what extent would Tarrasch have felt insulted if someone had praised him for the Nimzowitschean character of his play? Because this game certainly feels like one of his nemesis' masterpieces.
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  Infohunter: <offramp> I switched to pgn4web, for the purposes of this game only, and got the 100 moves.
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  offramp: <Infohunter>, thanks!
Mar-05-18  RookFile: Nimzo and Tarrasch were both students of Steinitz.
Mar-05-18  sneaky pete: If 43.R3e1 .. was changed to 43.Ree1 .. olga might show us the rest of the game as well. Of course there may be similar notation "mistakes" after move 43. Olga is a dainty lady.
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  prn: This game appears to show a couple of serious bugs in Olga. Aside from ending after move 42, Olga shows "Three time repetition claimable" beginning at move 17, but Olga continues to ssy that for the **entire rest of the game.** I imagine that there are rules subtleties that I am unaware of, but I don't think that Gottschall could have claimed a draw from three-time repetition on move 100, or even on move 42. But Olga continues to say that it is claimable.
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  stoy: The game score stops after black's move 42. Where are the rest of the moves?
Mar-05-18  Sally Simpson: Hu Stoy,

Take your browser off that Olga junk which has more than errors than an average Tutti Frutti post and switch to pgn4web, the moves re-appear as well as all the board codes. (b8=diagram e7 flip sides etc.)

Mar-05-18  morfishine: Boring game, zero lessons displayed, irrelevant backwards game-title

That about sums it up


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  keypusher: Olga works now.

< Thanks, there was a nonstandard move notation in that old game that was never reported (R3e1 vs Ree1). You should always differentiate with letters unless it's impossible, only then do you use numbers....>

Mar-05-18  sneaky pete: There is another bug. After 17.Nh4 .. it is impossible to analyse with Olga, possibly because that opinionated lady has declared the game a draw.
Mar-05-18  ChessHigherCat: <morfishine: Boring game, zero lessons displayed, irrelevant backwards game-title That about sums it up


You missed the whole point: computers can actually be bored to death! This game is the antidote to all Russian cyberattacks.

Mar-05-18  Cheapo by the Dozen: I rarely have seen a game where White was so explicitly playing for a draw.
Mar-05-18  Saniyat24: Gotta go...!
Mar-05-18  brankat: Possibly the ugliest game I've ever seen.
Mar-05-18  RookFile: Yeah, I was pretty bored playing this over.
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