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Bruce Harper vs Robert D Zuk
"The Tomb Game" (game of the day Jun-29-2016)
Halloween Open (1971), Burnaby, BC
King's Indian Defense: Orthodox Variation. Korchnoi Attack (E97)  ·  0-1



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Apr-14-12  sevenseaman: Notwithstanding any 'fine' definitions of it, to a commoner like me it is very much a Zugzwang.
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  Phony Benoni: <Zugzwang> and <Sacrifice> are Fine Arts. Nobody agrees on the definiton, but everybody knows one when they see it.
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  FSR: <Once> I contributed to the Zugzwang article in Wikipedia, but "Bubba73" has done far more work on it than anyone else. As you say, there is no universally agreed definition. To the purist, the final positions in this game, Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch, 1923 ("The Immortal Zugzwang Game"), and even Kaplan vs Bronstein, 1975 are not zugzwang, since Black would have a forced win in each case even if White were permitted to "pass" whenever he wanted. (In the last game, play might then proceed 27.g4 Bf4! (avoiding 28.g5! and intending ...b5-b4) 28.a4 b6 29."Pass" a6 30."Pass" b5 31.axb5 axb5 32."Pass" b4! 33.cxb4 c3 and wins.) However, in each game it is also true that if Black keeps playing waiting moves White must make his position considerably worse than it already is, thus making the win easier for Black. If you call the final positions in those games "zugzwang," I don't think you have to worry about the Zugzwang Police knocking on your door.
Apr-14-12  King Death: <FSR> "Bubba73" sounds like somebody that you wouldn't want to meet in some circumstances. By the way if the Zugzwang Police come by my place they got a problem, I got a shotgun full of rock salt.
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  FSR: <King Death> Bubba73 (whose real name I know) is actually a fine fellow and not your typical Southerner. His handle refers to a beloved '73 car he once owned. He has degrees in computer science, mathematics, and physics, doesn't believe in God, and is a Keith Olbermann fan. Appearances can be deceiving.
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  Phony Benoni: The Zugzwang Police don't come for you. They wait for you to come to them.
Apr-14-12  Shams: I once made a handle called (you can look it up) "Zugzwang Police". I thought I might go around issuing "citations" whenever people wrongfully called a position zugzwang. Then I thought better of it and hung up my badge.
Apr-14-12  King Death: <FSR> If he never met a shrimp he didn't like he's all right by me!
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  FSR: <King Death> I had the same reaction when I saw that, years ago now. I love shrimp, including on shrimp pizza. I did once try shrimp and ice cream together (mainly to horrify my daughter) and that wasn't so good.

Incidentally, you obviously have good taste in food:

<King Death: < FSR: Supposedly eggnog isn't sold year-round because people only buy it when it's cold...Weird - I'd totally buy it all year...>

That's a lame excuse if I ever heard one. I'd keep a gallon in the icebox myself. Any time of year. Nectar of the gods.>

Apr-14-12  kia0708: what about herring and marshmallows ?

<I did once try shrimp and ice cream together>

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  FSR: <kia0708: what about herring and marshmallows ?>

Haven't tried that.

<Phony Benoni: The Zugzwang Police don't come for you. They wait for you to come to them.>

Good point.

Apr-14-12  King Death: <FSR> Shrimp and ice cream sounds kind of nasty even though they're both good.

<kia0708> Herring's something I haven't had in awhile but smoked is good stuff, no marshmallows for me though.

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  FSR: <Shams> User: Zugzwang Police "Sorry, there is no such user on record."
Apr-02-13  banjowizard: <FSR> User: ZugzwangPolice
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  FSR: <banjowizard> Thanks.
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  kevin86: The worst thing in a game like this,that white would break into a "coffin' spell"
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  Phony Benoni: Maybe this can't be GOTD every Halloween. But if you've never seen it before, this is the perfect day.
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  Mating Net: Since today is tax day, this game deserves special mention. I'm sure that White felt the same way I'm feeling today, utterly helpless.
May-23-14  gabriel112000: White is totally squeezed.
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  Robed.Bishop: You are all wrong - it ended in Zukzwang.
Sep-02-15  consul: I was redirected here by a comment on another game of the day. I think that the preceding comment could be added next time this will be GOTD once again: The tomb game - A Zukzwang. Provided that word-joke wasn't used before.
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  perfidious: <Robed.Bishop: You are all wrong - it ended in Zukzwang.>

Quite true.

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  Phony Benoni: 3rd time as GOTD, and fine with me. It never fails to raise a smile. Everything sems so innocent until slowly...
Jun-29-16  AlicesKnight: On the Zugzwang point I am largely with <Once> and <Phony Benoni>. In the game why does White remove his Q from the action, after opening the centre, with 23.Qa4? - six moves later the mausoleum is taking shape.
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  offramp: <Robed.Bishop: You are all wrong - it ended in Zukzwang.>

You are right; that would be a far better pun for this game. This should really only be used as GoTD at Halloween, when it was played.

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