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Carl Theodor Goering vs Emil Schallopp
Leipzig (1877), Leipzig GER, rd 8, Jul-20
Philidor Defense: Philidor Countergambit (C41)  ·  0-1



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May-16-12  rilkefan: Cute.
May-16-12  mohannagappan: 16. ...Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ 18.Kb1 Rxe1# or Bd2 Rxe1# very easy puzzles so far in this week
May-16-12  M.Hassan: "Medium/Easy"
Balck to play 16....?
Sides are equal
Not difficult to see a Queen exchange with Rook:

17.Bxe1(forced) Bf4+
18.Kb1 Rxe1+
19.Nd1 Rxd1#


18.Bd2 Re1+
19.Nd1 Rxd1#

May-16-12  VincentL: "Medium/Easy".

This looks to be another bank rank puzzle.

It must start 16....Qxe1+. If 17. Nd1 Qxd1#, so 17. Bxe1 Bf4+ 18. Bd2 Re1+ 19. Nd1 Rxd1#. Or 18. Kb1 Rxe1+ 19. Nd1 Rxd1#.

Seems easy for a Wednesday.

May-16-12  Abdel Irada: Mate in four, with a twist: 16. ...♕xe1+; 17. ♗xe1, ♗f4+ (not 17. ...♖xe1+?, when the king escapes on d2 and white wins); 18. ♗d2 (or 18. ♔b1, ♖xe1+; 19. ♘d1, ♖xd1#), ♖e1+; 19. ♘d1, ♖xd1#.
May-16-12  bachbeet: Got it. To me, this was easier than the previous two puzzles.
May-16-12  Teris: Very obvious puzzle. Easy for a Wednesday.
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  FSR: After 16...Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+! and 18...Re1+/Rxe1+ and 19...Rxd1# White is Schallopped (or subjected to a Goering, if you prefer).
May-16-12  CHESSTTCAMPS: In this opening position, perhaps white has tried to set a trap, seeing that 15... Qxe1+ 16.Bxe1 Rxe1+(??) 17.Kd2 is winning for white. However, black has a vital improvement:

15... Qxe1+ 16.Bxe1 (Nd1 Qxd1#) Bf4+! 17.Bd2 (Kb1 Rxe1+ 18.Nd1 Rxd1#) Re1+ 18.Nd1 Rxd1#

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  agb2002: The material is equal.

White threatens 17.Rxe7, 17.Qxb7 and even 17.Qxe8+ Qxe8 (or 17... Nxe8 18.Rxe7 Bxe7 19.Nxd5) 18.Rxe8+ Nxe8 19.Nxd5.

White's back rank is weak: 16... Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ (17... Rxe1+ 18.Kd2 and the king escapes) and mate in two.

May-16-12  Tiggler: Nothing subtle about this one: Q, B, then R. Mate in 4.
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  whiteshark: <16.... Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ 18.Bd2 Re1+ 19.Nd1 Rxd1#> That's it.
May-16-12  sevenseaman: I am losing my normal style and approach as one puzzle after another comes and goes.

<16...Qxe1+ 17. Bxe1 Bf4+ 18. Bd2 Re1+ 19. Nd1 Rxd1#> 0-1.

I think <CG> are too busy doing the WC. Do all of us consider this sitting duck a normal fare for a Wednesday? A la Carte?

Don't tell me we all have improved so much that even third day of the week is a somnolent 'walk in the park'!


<Patriot> You are lucky you had some fun out of it. Have a nice snooze!

May-16-12  zb2cr: Hmmm. Back rank vulnerability, but hw to keep the White King from escaping? Light bulb goes off above my head!

16. ... Qxe1+; 17. Bxe1, Bf4+! This is the light bulb sudden insight. White must now interpose, 18. Bd2. Now the table is set for a back-rank mate. 18. ... Rxe1+; 19. Nd1, Rxd1#.

May-16-12  sorokahdeen: White's position after the tenth move is more interesting than the (admittedly cute) finale.

What is wrong with playing 11. Nf7 instead of instead of Nc3? It gives black the choice of either playing his queen to e8 which can be met with Bh6, counterattacking the white queen with ...Bd6 (after which simply taking it with Nxd6 or even Qxd6 seem to work) or taking the knight with ...Rxf7 after which white captures with exf7+ at which point, white's development is, well, absent, but without his king's rook, black isn't in a great position to exploit white's exposure on the open e file.

This way at least, he has material for the positional disadvantages brought about by his hack-and-slash queen moves, as things were played, the position makes you ask the question: "Why maneuver the knight to where it can threaten to go to f7 if you're not going to carry out the threat?"

May-16-12  dragon player: Another queen sac. (maybe it's queen-sac-week?):

17.Bxe1 Bf4+
18.Bd2 Re1+
19.Nd1 Rxd1#

Time to check.




May-16-12  scormus: <sorokahdeen: .... Why maneuver the knight to where it can threaten to go to f7 if you're not going to carry out the threat?> Good point. 11 Nc3 seems so out of character with W's previous moves. After that B stabilises his position and completes development, which W never gets the chance to do.

<sevenseaman> Yes CG seems to have WCC on their minds. Oh well, understandable and not completely unwelcome.

May-16-12  mistreaver: This looks interesing.
The first thought in this situation is queen sacrifice:

16 ,,, Qxd1+ 17 Bxd1
Now after Rxd1+ White king escapes, therefore intermediate check is needed:

17... Bf4+
18 Kb1 Rd1+
19 Ne1 Rxe1 mate

May-16-12  mistreaver: I still give myself full point for today, since i only changed white's move order, but i got the essence of the combination. 3/3 so far.
May-16-12  morfishine: <sevenseaman> On your comment

<Don't tell me we all have improved so much that even third day of the week is a somnolent 'walk in the park'!> Well, under this system with each puzzle becoming more difficult, that in itself adds a difficulty factor to the puzzle creator. Why a few weeks ago a Saturday was like a Thursday, Friday was like a Sunday, Monday was like a Wednesday, Tuesday was like a Friday and the Sunday puzzle didn't contain an insane move at all...

Despite all that, you won't see me complaining...too much fun! :)

May-16-12  David2009: C T Goering vs E Schallopp, 1877 Black 16...? Very interesting game. Here's the position at move 16 with White to play:

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Between moves 4 to 15 White must have thought he was winning : perhaps this was why he became careless. Bizarrely 16.Qd3? runs into the same combination (winning a piece) which only leaves 16.Qxe7 and Black is fine. Crafty End Game Trainer link to continue for those who enjoy a stiff test of their ability to play out drawn middle games:

Enjoy the challenge of finding the draw! First time round I lasted 17 moves before blundering away a Pawn on move 18.

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  Diademas: Seems like Goering fared no better at the chess table, than he did with the Luftwaffe.
May-16-12  Memethecat: 16...Qxe1+ 17Bxe1 Bf4+ perspicuous from here.
May-16-12  James D Flynn: The Black Q is under attack. If it moves (to F8 for instance) 17.Rxe8+ Nxe8 18.Qxd5+ Kg7(orh8) 19.Qd4 wins the B on g4 therefore 17…..Qxe8 18.Qxe8+ Nxf6 19.Nxd5 and material is equal but White has a space advantage. However Black has a tactical resource: 16……Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ 18.Bd2 Re1+ 19.Nd1 Rxd1#
May-16-12  sevenseaman: <morfishine> Wise counsel, thanks. I'll try and follow your example. I think <scormus> was saying the same thing, more or less.
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