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Dragoljub Velimirovic vs Idriz Susic
YUG-ch 21st (1965), Titograd MNE, rd 17, Dec-??
Queen's Gambit Accepted: Central Variation. McDonnell Defense (D20)  ·  1-0

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Apr-20-15  CHESSTTCAMPS: White has a knight for a bishop and a powerful pawn on e6. Black threatens 34... Qxg2#, but white can strike first with the forcing finish 34.Ng8+ Rxg8 35.Qf7#
Apr-20-15  zb2cr: 34. Ng8+, Rxg8. I saw White being able to mate in 1 with 35. Qf7#. Velimirovic missed that and went for 35.Qxh7+, which still wins but less rapidly. Does this mean that I'm stronger than a grandmaster? ;)
Apr-20-15  morfishine: <diagonalley> & <Nick46> Doesn't make much difference, cornered or trapped. How about White's rook leaves the Black King 'Hemmed in'
Apr-20-15
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  Bubo bubo: The Rf8 is overloaded, as it has to cover g8 and f7. Therefore 34.Ng8+ Rxg8 35.Qf7#
Apr-20-15
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  Oxspawn: I would say this is simple rather than easy. Or it may be easy, but was not obvious (to me). Since black is about to mate on g2, white has to do something operatic. The Black king has no legal move and the White queen could mate if the black rook were out of the way. So…

34. Ng8+ forces Rxg8
35. Qf7++
I am now staring at Qf7 wondering what I am missing. Is it not mate one move quicker?

Apr-20-15
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  Oxspawn: Oh good. It wasa not us who missed something but Velimirovic...
Apr-20-15
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  Penguincw: Love that knight sacrifice. 34.Ng8+ Rxg8 35.Qf7# 1-0 (not sure why 35.Qxh7+ was played, as it mates 2 moves slower).
Apr-20-15
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  keypusher: Ooh, knight sac, very tricky for a Monday. Neat sacrifice, too!
Apr-20-15
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  keypusher: One of four times in his life that Velmirovic played 1.d4, according to the database. But he got a wide open game in a hurry.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Apr-20-15  TheTamale: The spite check that ends this game had far psychologically devastating impact than the pedestrian 35) Qf8#. Velimirovic was thinking big picture here--win the battle after the battle; humiliate your opponent so badly he never wants to play you again.

Well done, GM Velimirovic!

Apr-20-15  YetAnotherAmateur: <patzer2> Mate in 4? Try mate in 2 - 34. Ng8+ Rxg8 35. Qf7#. The game line is unnecessarily long.
Apr-20-15  patzer2: Got 34. Ng8+ Rxg8 35. Qh7+ Rg7 36. Qxg7+ Ke8 37. Qf7# with mate-in-four for today's Monday puzzle solution.

Of course, as others have noted, shortest is 34. Ng8+ Rxg8 35. Qf7# for mate-in-two.

In the opening, instead of the odd <11...Nh6?!>, I prefer more active development with 11...Qc7 = or 11...Nb6 =.

Black's biggest mistake in the opening was <13...0-0?> (better is 13...Ng4 = to ) , allowing 14. Bxh6 gxh6 15. Nxd4! (diagram below).


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Here (diagram above) 15...cxd4?? is not possible due to the discovered attack with check threat 16. Bxf7+ Rxf7 17. Qxc7 winning the Black Queen.

Black's final decisive error was <30...f6?>. Instead, 30...fxe6 puts up significant resistance.

Apr-20-15
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  paulalbert: After seeing Ng8 and Qf7# almost instantly, my reaction when I turned to the game and saw 35 Qh7 was "WHAT?"

I thought I had stupidly missed something; but no, even GMs can miss one move mates, both defending and attacking.

Apr-20-15  mel gibson: White played so well right from the start.
Apr-20-15
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  keypusher: <Apr-20-15 TheTamale: The spite check that ends this game had far psychologically devastating impact than the pedestrian 35) Qf8#. Velimirovic was thinking big picture here--win the battle after the battle; humiliate your opponent so badly he never wants to play you again. Well done, GM Velimirovic!>

Or maybe Susic thought -- that fish, he missed a mate in one. I can't wait to play him again.

Apr-20-15
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  gawain: Deflection of the rook by 34 Ng8+. Very easy but a little different for a Monday. The white rook deserves credit for doing great work!

Do we know for sure that White's failure to end the game with 35 Qf7# is the result time trouble? Or do we just assume that it must be?

I can certainly imagine the final few moves being played at a frenzied pace.

Apr-20-15  goldfarbdj: Yes, I also looked at Qf7+ first before finding the knight sac.

Since there's no way a grandmaster would miss the immediate mate at move 35 if he had more than a fraction of a second on his clock, I think "time scramble" is a safe assumption.

Apr-20-15
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  kevin86: No queen sac. The knight sac lures the black rook and allows the queen mate at f7. A little oversight (or some other reason white played Qh7+)
Apr-20-15  YouRang: It helps to note that black threatens mate (...Qxg2#), and so whatever white does, it has to be check.

Looking over white's checking options, the only one that doesn't dissolve is 34.Ng8+, which leaves no choice but 34...Rxg8 35.Qf7#.

I was surprised (like others) to see white opt for 35.Qxh7. Perhaps Velimirovic likes sadistic chess (delaying mate unnecessarily just to maximize your opponent's suffering).

Apr-20-15  poachedeggs: If black had played 35...Ke8,

Would white have played 36.Qxg8+?

And played with the mouse for another move?

Apr-20-15  Nick46: <morfishine: <diagonalley> & <Nick46> Doesn't make much difference, cornered or trapped. How about White's rook leaves the Black King 'Hemmed in'> I agree with you and wouldn't have picked a bone with your original choice of the word 'cornered'.
Apr-20-15  stacase: Spent too much time looking for the Monday Queen sacrifice. When I switched to what would I do? It was plainly obvious.
Apr-20-15  YouRang: To be fair...

Perhaps we all saw 35.Qf7# so quickly because we are all trained to look for queen sacs on Monday. Consequently, we already had Qf7+ in mind because we tried it (unsuccessfully) on move 34.

Velimirovic (white) was almost certainly not thinking along those lines. He saw 34.Ng8+ as a nice clearance sac (clearing the way to h7 with winning attack) before he noticed that it was an even better deflection sac (removing defender of f7).

So, 35.Qxh7+ is certainly not a bad move.

Perhaps the bigger surprise is that black played 35...Rxg8 instead of resigning immediately. Surely he should have anticipated either 35.Qf7# or 35.Qxh7 -- and if so, quickly realized he was done for.

Apr-20-15
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  Longview: We don't all see the easy mates, guys/gals, now do we. Whether Dragoljub Velimirovic was in time trouble or other, he obviously missed the 35. Qf7#. But he won and his opponent agreed.
Apr-20-15  barryh1976: I agree with chrisowen! Lol
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