chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Paul Vaitonis vs Erich Eliskases
Folkestone Olympiad (1933), Folkestone ENG, rd 1, Jun-12
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. Queen's Knight Variation (A16)  ·  1-0

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Get this game explained with Decode Chess
explore this opening
find similar games 1 more P Vaitonis/E Eliskases game
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
Nov-16-10  rapidcitychess: 16...f5?????? I doubt this is a real game!!!!
Nov-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <rapidcitychess> Position after <16.Nh3>


click for larger view

16...f5 is hardly a blunder, since Black is losing a piece in any event due to the pin on his knight. The only surprise to me it that Eliskases bothered moving at all.

You can find this game at the Olimpbase website: http://www.olimpbase.org/1933/1933l.... Click on the first game for Vaitonis, against the Austrian team (AUT).

A note to the game states that it was published on p. 461 of the 1933 British Chess Magazine, which indicated after 15.f4 "...and White won in a few moves." Perhaps Eliskases held out to move twenty or so as a matter of pride. I don't know where our version came from, but the game itself is certainly legitimate.

Nov-16-10  rapidcitychess: <Phony Benoni>

Thanks.

Nov-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: <rapidcitychess> I think Black was lost 'long before' <16....f5>.
Nov-16-10  rapidcitychess: Oh well, let's try this again.

14....e6???? Could this be rejected for quality errors?

:)

Nov-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: I don't know, but White already missed the strong <12.Bf4!>


click for larger view

with the idea of <12...e5 13.Bh3 Rd8> (0-0-0 isn't better due to diagonal pin) <14.Bxd7+ Rxd7 15.Bxe5>


click for larger view

with <15...Bxe5 16.Nxe5 Rxd1+ 17.Qxd1> and the Black position is a mere wreck. (17...Qxe5? 18.Re1)


click for larger view

Nov-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: Well, if you're looking for first causes, Black committed several inaccuracies. The first big mistake was probably 12...0-0-0, since White is winning at least a pawn after 13.Ng5.

Then 13...Ne5 is a blunder, since the knight can't escape the pin after 14.Bc3. If say, 14...Bh6 15.f4 Bxg5 16.Qf5+ followed by 17.Qxg5 and the knight is now pinned against Rh8.

No, it was simply a bad day for Eliskases. This was, after all, his first game at an Olympiad, and he was surely nervous.

Now, as for the quality of the game. You're correct that, objectively, it's a lousy game. I doubt Vaitonis was very proud of winning it. If, say, you and I had played it at a local weekend quad, there's no way it would make it into the database. Especially if you had won.

But games from international tournaments are usually accepted without worrying about the quality criteria. It's assumed their quality is going to be good, because usually only masters play in international events. Plus, there's always the point of historial interest and importance. It's a goal of most online database to preserve complete records of major events, without worrying about the quality of individual games.

This does lead to anomalies. Take a look at some of the recent Olympiad games, which are bulk loaded. Ecch. But are you going to go through each one of thousands of games to make a quality judgment, or accept them just because they're from the Olympiad?

Nov-16-10  rapidcitychess: <Phony Benoni>

To be honest, I wouldn't recieve them just because they were in the Olympiad. But I know that is highly impractical and couldn't be done with hundreds, possibly thousands, suddenly going into the database for submission.

Nov-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <rapidcitychess> Exactly right.

In my opinion, it's a waste of time to focus on the clunkers when there are enough games worthy of attention and study to last ten lifetimes.

Nov-16-10  rapidcitychess: <Phony Benoni>

As soon as you said <exactly right>, I felt like some student that had just figured out algebra. lol

Sice I'm still here, I might as well give an intresting game.

Shilov vs Kramnik, 1987

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

<This page contains Editor Notes. Click here to read them.>

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2020, Chessgames Services LLC