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Vladimir Kramnik vs Joel Lautier
Tilburg Fontys (1998), Tilburg NED, rd 3, Oct-25
Slav Defense: Modern Line (D11)  ·  1-0



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Aug-03-06  Wade Keller: A beginner's questions: Why is this "Queen's Gambit Declined" instead of "Accepted"?
Aug-03-06  jahhaj: <pittpanther> I agree, I've missed Wednesday and Thursday this week (although I really shouldn't have missed Wednesday).
Aug-03-06  Marco65: <RandomVisitor> You're probably right if you consider everything until mate, but not if you stop as soon as you take the piece back. That happens very soon after 24...Qd6 25.Rf3+ Ke8 26.Re1+ Be6 27.Rxf8+ Kxf8 28.Qf6+. Wiht 3 connected passed pawn the endgame is an easy win and there is no need to calculate further.
Aug-03-06  TylerD: Bxg6 was the first move I considered. Took about two seconds to intuitively sense that this was the solution. took a little longer to check out the nuances.
Aug-03-06  jahhaj: <Wade Keller> There is no logic in how openings get named. Normally in the QGA Black takes the pawn on the second move, here he takes it on the fourth move. If subsequently we got into a position identical to a regular QGA you could call it a QGA (by transposition) but that doesn't happen so it's not a QGA.
Aug-03-06  Richerby: <Wade Keller> Since Black has played ...c6 before ...dxc4, the opening gets classed as a Slav, which is treating as a branch of the QGD. As <jahhaj> says, it's all a bit random. Don't worry about it!
Aug-03-06  The17thPawn: I made it to move 22 but then took the bishop instead of making the intermezzo check on h5 which is definitely stronger. Oh well at least I got past the point where <CG> says no credit
Aug-03-06  RandomVisitor: <Marco65>Hmmm...I suppose that the quickest route to a won position is probably the best strategy in these types of positions.
Aug-03-06  kevin86: I flunked! I had 19 ♗x♙ followed by 20 ♕x♙+?

Excuse the old notation-I am a failure,anyway-lol

Aug-03-06  kevin86: Kramnik: sounds like a Russian who ONLY studies the night before an exam.
Aug-03-06  Mendrys: <Wade Keller: A beginner's questions: Why is this "Queen's Gambit Declined" instead of "Accepted"?>

Just to expound on what other's have given for this: If he had taken white's "unprotected" pawn on move 3...dxc4 or on move 2...dxc4 white is not protecting his c4 pawn and the gambit is said to be accepted. In this game black played 4...dxc4 after white moved the queen to the c-file. The pawn on c4 is protected BEFORE the capture, thus this is a QGD and not QGA. I hope this makes sense.

Aug-03-06  square dance: <The pawn on c4 is protected BEFORE the capture, thus this is a QGD and not QGA. I hope this makes sense.> yes, since the pawn is protected its no longer a 'gambit' pawn. not that the queens gambit is really a gambit anyway... :-D
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  al wazir: < If you saw 19.Bxg6 fxg6 and then intended to follow it up with 20.Qxg6+? you get no credit for this one, because after 20...Bg7 White's attack is over. Note that on 21.Ng5 Black has ...Bf5>.

Huh??? 19. Bxg6 fxg6 20. Qxg6+ Bg7 21. Ng5 Bf5 22. Qh7#.

Aug-03-06  pggarner: <Wade Keller> It's sometimes called the "delayed acceptance" of the gambit.

I thought the puzzle was a spoiler and would have played OTB 19.Ne4 Bg7, 20.Qd2 saving both my knight and my rook. I'm too defensive minded today.

Aug-03-06  YouRang: I missed it -- too focused on finding mate. :-(

Meanwhile, Kramnik's attack wins a couple pawns and strips the Black king practically naked of defense -- which is almost as good as mate. Good puzzle.

Aug-03-06  YouRang: <al wazir><Huh??? 19. Bxg6 fxg6 20. Qxg6+ Bg7 21. Ng5 Bf5 22. Qh7#.>

I think you missed 22. Qh7+ Bxh7

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  al wazir: Oops. You mean that the ♙ white captured on move 20 isn't there anymore?
Aug-03-06  YouRang: Heh, the phantom pawn strikes again! It has bitten me on the behind a few times too. :-)
Aug-05-06  patzer2: <samvega> Thanks for recommending this for my demolition collection(s). The demolition of pawn structure tactic often appears in the late opening or early middle game, and is useful for studying any number of difficult tactical themes and mating patterns.
Aug-05-06  patzer2: With the demolition of pawn structure combination 19. Bxg6!!, Kramnik demonstrates that the secret to mastering this tactical weapon is accurate followup. In this regard, the moves 20. Ng5!, 22. Qh5+! and 24. Re3! are instructive.

In the final position, play might continue 24...Be6 25. d5! cxd5 26. Qh5+! Kg7 27. Rg3+ with a mating attack.

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  chancho: Had Lautier played 17...Kh7 (or Kg7) instead of 17...Nc4, how would Kramnik had proceeded then?
Sep-20-07  Capablanca44: It was instructive how checkmate threats,
a Bishop sacrifice, and checks were used to destroy Black's position. A beautiful attacking game by Kramnik!!!
Jun-19-08  apexin: mondya puzzle - whites 24th move.
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  plang: 4 Qc2 avoids some of the sharp lines such as the Meran or the Noteboom (4 Nc3..dxc). 8 Bd3 was new; 8 Be2 had been played previously. Nunn didn't like 13..exd opening the e file recommending instead 13..g6 (if 14 Bxg6?..Nb6 15 Qb3..Be6). 16..Qb4?! taking the queen away from the defense of the kingside was not advisable; 16..Qd8 was better. 17..Nc4? was based on a miscalculation; better was 17..Bg7 18 a3..Qd6 19 Ne5..Be6 20 Ne4..Qc7 21 Nc5..Bd5 22 Qd3..Rfe8 23 f4 although White is clearly better here.
Jun-27-21  tonsillolith: <20. Ng5>, a nice deflection of the bishop from the protection of the king on g7.
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