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| Jul-13-04 | | acirce: The decisive mistake seemed to be 21..Kd7, how was 21..Nh4 instead? |
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| Jul-13-04 | | dac1990: Technically, THIS game decided world chess, as Adams failed to win. Suprised no one but acirce kibitzed on it. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | sneaky pete: <dac1990> <This game decided world chess> Who do you think you're kidding?
So Kasim, not Mickey, is the open Lybian champion 2004. Who cares? I don't. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | acirce: Who cares that you don't care? I don't. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | Bobsterman3000: Fritz likes 21...b5 and 21...Nh4 much better than the 21st text move by Adams. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | Akavall: In chessbase.com I found 4 games played between Kasparov and Kasimdzhanov and Garry won all 4. I hope Kasim does better in the match. Adams had a very bad score against Kasparov as well. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | Bobsterman3000: Outside of Karpov and Kramnik, who doesn't have a very unfavorable score against Kasparov? |
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| Jul-13-04 | | acirce: Radjabov for example. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | iron maiden: Decent personal scores against Kasparov? Isn't Topalov's classical score something like six to eight? |
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| Jul-13-04 | | acirce: Svidler is even (1-1 not counting draws) according to this database, which is of course not complete but I would guess that it is at least not "very unfavorable". |
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| Jul-13-04 | | beenthere240: Does anyone think that Adams had good (or any) winning chances at move 21....? |
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| Jul-13-04 | | chesscookie: <Outside of Karpov and Kramnik, who doesn't have a very unfavorable score against Kasparov? > Have you all forgotten Vishy Anand? He's done quite well against kasparov |
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| Jul-13-04 | | acirce: No, he hasn't, his score is pretty disastrous. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | komla: when and where is the match between kasparov and kasimdzhanov taking place? <chesscookie> you can check anand's record against kasparov on this site and you will see what <acirce> means |
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| Jul-13-04 | | chocobonbon: Two guys named Boris need not be ashamed of their score with Garry - Spassky & Gulko. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | PinkPanther: Spassky only ever beat him before Kasparov really became Kasparov. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | AgentRgent: <PinkPanther: Spassky only ever beat him before Kasparov really became Kasparov.> The converse is also true... Garry only beat Spassky after he was "done being Spassky" (GKs first win wasn't until 1989 when Boris was 52) |
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| Jul-14-04 | | ruylopez900: <acirce> but how many times has Radjabov played Kasparov? I can only recall two times, both at Linares, where he didn't earn a win but it was given to him (though I agree that if he had drawn that like Gazza should have held it would still be impressive.) As for bad socres against Kasparov I think that the epitome of this is Shirov. |
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| Jul-14-04 | | acirce: At least 7 times, 4 in Linares (2003 and 2004), where he has +1 =3. What do you mean he didn't "earn" a win, Kasparov played a bad move and Radjabov made use of it. |
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| Jul-14-04 | | ruylopez900: <acirce> Yes, I know. Al credit for finding the win, but it was a big blunder, it's not like Radjabov realized the Q was to war on the K-side and slowly grinded out a tempo, which then won him a superior position and then efficiently came in for the kill and dominated Kasparov without the latter playing a truly ? move, like he did in their game. |
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| Jul-14-04 | | acirce: Well, have you actually looked at the game? Kasparov was already in trouble when he made that weird blunder, nothing says that Radja couldn't have won without it. Just because your opponent plays a strange losing move in a position already worse it's not like the win doesn't count or you didn't "earn" it. |
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| Jul-15-04 | | Dionyseus: Kasparov has played Spassky very few times, and the two Spassky wins over Kasparov was before he became world champion, and as we all know, Kasparov beat Karpov, who beat Spassky. |
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| Jul-15-04 | | AgentRgent: <Dionyseus> Spassky's wins over Kasparov were 2-4 years (81 & 83) before Kasparov became world champion (1985). GK was almost certainly not yet at his full potential, but he was close. On the other hand, Kasparov's 2 wins over Spassky didn't come until 17-18 years (89 & 90) after Spassky LOST his title (1972). Let's at least compare apples to apples... or grapes to grapes if you prefer... |
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| Jul-15-04 | | acirce: I think even in 1985 Kasparov was quite far from his full potential. |
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| Jul-15-04 | | AgentRgent: Perhaps, But he was certainly closer to his prime than Spassky was in 89/90... |
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