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Frantisek Zita vs Vladimir S Antoshin
Ulan Bator (1965)
Nimzowitsch-Larsen Attack: General (A06)  ·  0-1

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Nov-26-05
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  offramp: Astonishin'.
Nov-26-05  erimiro1: <Richard Taylor > I don't like your current image. Please bring the old one.
Nov-26-05
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: Surprisinly easy, even though as usual the tough move to find was the third. Again, it's a simple matter of using a minor piece to eliminate the King's pawn cover so that the major pieces can mop up.
Nov-26-05  JoeStrummer: A little tricky, in that there was no beautiful, elaborate sac, or series of pins, double checks, etc., to look for, just sac a piece to destroy the pawn cover and open up lines.

It looks more like a real game we would play, than some of these 8 move combination puzzles.

Nov-26-05  sfm: A difficult one. The hard thing is to see is 33.+,Qc6+.
Nov-26-05  EmperorAtahualpa: <TTLump> I was already thinking something along that line, but thanks for your insights!
Nov-26-05  aginis: <TTlump> 32.Qe1 Be4+ 33.Qg3 Rxg3 34.hg Rh5!

A. 35.Kf2 Rh2+ 36.Kf1 Bd3

B. 35.Rh2 Qxe3+ Kf1 Rxh2

C. 35.Re1 Rh1+ 36.Kf2 Rh2+ 37.Kg1 (37.Kf1 Qf8+) Rg2+ 38.Kh1 Re2+ 39.Kg1 Qxe3+ 40.Kf1 Qf2#

D. 37. - Rh1+ 38.Kf2 Qf8#

Nov-26-05  patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, Black initiates a demolition of pawn structure combination with 31...Bxg2! After this pseudo-sacrfice, the followup 31...Rxg2+ 32. Kxg2 Qc6+ exposes the White King to a decisive attack from Black's heavy artillery.

The sacrifice of a piece to expose the King to an attack is a common theme in the demolition of pawn structure tactical motif.

Nov-26-05
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  Richard Taylor: <erimiro1: <Richard Taylor > I don't like your current image. Please bring the old one.> I have been ordered by <Benzol> to keep my image - he hates bowties - and <Benzol> is a very dangerous man he comletely psyched out Nigel Short in simul and the forced the latter to a draw coming away from the board whimpering and shaking ...actualy he did get a draw lol - look on <Benzol's> page
Nov-26-05
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  Richard Taylor: No one has refuted my line [31. ... B:g2 32 R:g2 R:g2+ 33. K:g2 Rg5+ which I thought was best: Then if 34. Kh1 Qc6+ 35. e5 Q:e5+ and mates.
If 34. Kh2 Oc8#
If 34. Kf1 Qf8+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Rc2 Rg1+ 37. Ke2 Qf1+ 38. Kd2 Qd1# or above if 36. Kd1 Qf1+ and mates But I actually thought that here 36. Qd8+ was needed - strange mix up there) But if 35. Ke2 Rg2+ 36. Kd3 Qf5+ 37. f4 Qf3#]

and in fact
<dakgootje> says:

<Richard Taylor>: your solution is better than the text move as 33. ...[Q]c6+ 34. e4 [Q]xe4+ 35. [K]g1 [R]g5+ 36. [Q]g3 [R]xg3+ 37. hxg3 doesnt go [tp] mate however it does have a huge advantage for black

Yes - cheers! -my line leads straight to mate -scroll back me hearties!

Nov-26-05  Guest1825: Nope. Not this one. Not this time. Need to work on combos this week. <Richard Taylor - your line leads to Checkmate? Cheers, mate!
Nov-27-05  snowie1: I played this one out with the exception that 31...Rxf2+ 32.Rxg2..Bxg2 33.Kxg2 and now the same moves as text.
Nov-27-05  LIFE Master AJ: I worked on this for well over 10 minutes, but never came close to solving it.

I looked at the sacrifice on g2, but never saw a definite win. The problem was that the lines kept forking in my head, making it impossible to be 100% certain of a decisive conclusion. My main line went something like 31...Bxg2; 32.Rxg2, RxR/g2+; 33.KxR/g2, Rg5+; 34.King to the f-file, Qf8+. But this is where I got bogged down. 34.Kf3 looked darn risky, but I could not positively bust it in my head ... the variations seem to branch out almost endlessly.

Eventually, I settled for what I considered to be a simple... but a sure-fire win. 31...Rfg5; 32.g3, (forced) 32...Qc8! with the idea of getting the Queen to h3.

Imagine my surprise when I looked at the answer and saw that ...Rg5+ was wrong. I seriously cannot say that I even examined the Queen check on c6. (Bummer.)

Nov-27-05  LIFE Master AJ: PS
I get the real strong feeling I have seen this (game) before, however, I took about an hour and thumbed through dozens of my chess books, but never found this particular contest.
Nov-27-05  TTLump: <aginis> don't know how I could have missed that one! here is another crushing line for black, after 34.hxg Rh5, 36.Kf2 Qf8+!, 37.Ke1 Qd6 (threatens Rh1#), 38.Bd4 Qxa3, 39.Rec2 Bxc2, 40.Rxc2 Qd3 and from here its mate in 3 or 4 no matter what white does.
Nov-27-05  TTLump: <Richard Taylor> yes, your line (33... Rg5+) is better than the actual game, and more-so than one might surmise at first, since your line results in a forced mate in 9 moves, while the actual game line from 33... Qc6+ is only shorter because of white's mistake at 36. Kf1 , he shuld have played 36. Qg3 and white merely suffers a slow agonizing death instead of a quick merciful one (which may be the very reason he made that "blunder"!)

I wonder if other people are asking themselves the obvious question "Why did't I see that move??". It seems so obvious after you point it out! Better yet, why didn't Antoshin see it?

Nov-27-05  TTLump: <LIFE Master AJ> I also missed the solution, and probably would have played your move 31... Rg5 in an actual game situation, but I don't think 32.g3 is forced, nor is it the best response for white, 32. Rcc2 covers the g2 square adequately, avoids the weakened pawn structure of g3, and offers the exchange in return for getting rid of the annoying bishop with a bonus pin on black's rook. White is still lost however, just not as quickly ...
Nov-28-05  LIFE Master AJ: <TTLump>
<" 32. Rcc2 covers the g2 square adequately, ..."> 31...Rfg5; 32.g3 is forced according to several programs, if Black wins the exchange, then a master would generally assume that he is going to win the game.

Just like the other day, a person wrote me an e-mail. I said "it was a forced mate in three" and a GM resigned because he also saw the mate. An observant reader pointed out - that according to Fritz - Black could have delayed the mate by playing "give-away" ... but most humans WON'T play this way. (In a tournament, most will resign before doing that, I have played literally hundreds of rated tournament games and I can quite tell you that from experience.)

Most humans won't even consider Rc2 there, White loses the exchange, and the win will certainly follow.

Nov-28-05  LIFE Master AJ: By the way, I took about 4 hours and looked at this game. I sent my analysis into this server, maybe he will use it.
Nov-28-05
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  chancho: <I sent my analysis into this server, maybe he will use it.>

Ken Larsen once said: "Long analysis, wrong analysis." I suspect in your case, the analysis is very LONG and very WRONG!

Dec-02-05  LIFE Master AJ: I received an official reply back from the server's owner. (He will not be using any of my annotations - therefore I won't even bother sending those in.)

Posted in reply to several e-mail questions I have had.

However, I will be analyzing games ... and it is always important for me to know where one side lost a game. (And I will continue to post my thoughts here and sharing my oberservations.)

Dec-02-05  Averageguy: <LMAJ><oberservations> Lol, and you tell <gypsy> to learn how to spell.
Dec-02-05
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  chancho: I meant Bent Larsen. Damn!
Mar-28-20
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  woldsmandriffield: 29..Rg6! was a great move because 30 Qxe5 loses to 30..Rxg2+
Mar-28-20
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  perfidious: <chancho.....Ken Larsen once said: "Long analysis, wrong analysis."....>

His namesake Bent wrote thus, long ago.

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