Jan-31-05
 | | kwgurge: What am I missing? Isn't 22...Rf1 Mate? |
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| Jan-31-05 | | azaris: There is an explanation!
<When playing with the White pieces against Edgar Colle at Budapest in 1926, Andre Steiner accidentally knocked over his king when making his 14th move. He replaced the king on g1, when it should have been replaced on h1.Later in the game Steiner played a combination which forced a win, but would have been unsound with the king on h1. The error was not discovered till the game was over. Colle protested, but the protest was turned down, and Steiner's win stood.> So obviously the White king should be on g1, in which case the mate doesn't work but such a game can't be entered in to the database. |
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Feb-01-05
| | kwgurge: Thanks Azaris. The protest was rightly denied. If one can't keep track of where one's opponent's King is during a game, one shouldn't be rewarded for the oversight later. |
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| Sep-30-15 | | QueensideCastler: At this momment Steiner accidentally pushed the white king off the table with his sleeve. Such things happen, but when the Hungarian had picked up the piece from the floor he unwarily but it back on g1! Colle did not notice anything either and the game just proceeded. At this moment it was hard to predict though that the nne place of the king would have extreme consequences. Source: Startling Castling by Robert Timmer [1997] |
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Sep-30-15
 | | Sally Simpson: I love stories like this.
'Startling Casting' brilliant title, what was the next book, 'Amazing Triangulation', 'Remarkable Refutations', Astonishing Adjournments'. Think I'll do a wee joke.
see:
Colle vs E Steiner, 1924 |
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| Mar-07-25 | | Petrosianic: <kwgurge: Thanks Azaris. The protest was rightly denied. If one can't keep track of where one's opponent's King is during a game, one shouldn't be rewarded for the oversight later.> There was a similar incident in the Siegen Olympiad, can't remember the game. But the losing side played his Queen where his opponent had to capture it for him, captured it himself, said "Stalemate", shook hands, and got him to sign the scoresheet before he knew what had happened. Unfortunately, it wasn't stalemate at all, he still had one move left. But by then it was too late, he'd already signed the scoresheet saying it was. <So obviously the White king should be on g1, in which case the mate doesn't work but such a game can't be entered in to the database.> In this case it still plays as a legal but misleading game. But there are other games containing illegal moves that simply won't play correctly. Jerry Sohl made that same observation in <Underhanded Chess>, that in fact, <there are no illegal moves in chess>, if both sides agree to them. In this case, to see the game as it was played, the database should render BOTH c5 and Kh1 as White's 14th move. We're seeing here what <would> have happened if both sides had played legally, but that's not what happened. |
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| Mar-07-25 | | Petrosianic: Here's another game containing an illegal move, but this time the database can't handle it, and simply stops giving you the moves in clickable form at the point that the illegality occurred. The rest of the moves are given in a note. J Mason vs Winawer, 1883 |
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Kibitzing
sac: 19.Rxf6