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Itzchak Veinger vs Gennadi Timoshchenko
Seefeld op 9th (1998), rd 8
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Dunne Attack (B20)  ·  0-1

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Jul-25-06  vibes43: As a beginner, it didn't take me long to spot the solution, knowing there was one to be found. However, I wouldn't have considered that possibility earlier in the game as I suspect Timoshchenko did. He definately wanted the white pawn off b5.
Jul-25-06
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  dzechiel: Took a few seconds once I decided that the rook on h1 was a real liability for white.
Jul-25-06  Fezzik: FYI: Gregory (Grigoriy) is a fairly common name in Russian (and Ukrainian). However, Gennadi isn't a common name in English. So it's possible that some translator arbitrarily changed his name.

Take a look at cg.com's two different spellings of today's player as White!

So the short answer is no.

There isn't a Gregory Timoschenko that I'm aware of. More to the point, I'm pretty sure that the game you cited was played by Gennadi, the same one here.

Jul-25-06  Marmot PFL: <Someone said Itzhak Veinger is a GM. Is that true?> His peak rating is 2410, and i thought you needed to be 2500 to get a GM title. There are some GMs around who basically bought their titles.
Jul-25-06  pawn52: Little bit tough for me today. It was a closed position, but I still managed to get it right, even down to the continuation(sp?). I noticed that the f3-pawn was weak and that the rook could be won, but I didn't see how. I saw Bxf3+ which was the wrong move, but I was looking for a move that covers the bishop when it strikes but at the same time, forces White to play into Black's hands. But who said the bishop had to be covered? The queen was within striking range of a safe square on the diagonal, so why not sac the bishop, force the king onto the same diagonal as the rook, and skewer the king? Like I said, little bit tough, but I'm getting better. I'm taking my time on these. I'm not after speed, but rather accuracy.
Jul-25-06  Tariqov: <17thpawn>There is a smile after my and <justafish>'s comment.It's a joke.:)
Aug-05-06
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  patzer2: Black prepares a winning skewer tactic with the sham sacrifice 31...Bxf3+!
Nov-20-14  ljfyffe: Veinger, of Israel, took part in ICCF World Cup
VII Final, placing 7th(1994-2001).
Feb-25-19
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  al wazir: This isn't *very* easy. I would call it more medium.
Feb-25-19  lost in space: <<greensfield:> got this one. Noticed that f3 pawn was weak and that the rook on h1 could be won. continuation? 31... Bxf3+
32. Kxf3 Qc6+
33. Kg3 Qxh1
34. gxf5 gxf5
35. Bxf5 Bxh4+
36. Kg4 Rg8+
37. Kh5 Bf6+
38. Qh2 Qxh2+
39. Bh3 Qxh3# >

Got it up to 33. Qxh1 with attack.

Feb-25-19  zb2cr: I remembered this one from back in 2006. Black wins the exchange after 31. ... Bxf3+; 32. Kxf3, Qb7+; 33. Ke2, Qxh1.
Feb-25-19
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  Penguincw: Not a queen sac Monday, but I reminded myself to think about it for a bit, and got it. Skewer for the win.

I also went with 32...Qb7+.

Jul/25/2006 was a Tuesday.

Feb-25-19
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  agb2002: The rook on h1 is defenseless. Hence, 31... Bxf3+ 32.Kxf3 Qc3+ wins decisive material. For example, 33.Kg3 Qxh1 34.g5 f4+ 35.Kg4 fxe3 36.gxf6 Rd4+ 37.Kg3 (37.Kg5 e2 38.Qxe2 Qc1+ and mate next) 37... Qe1+, etc.
Feb-25-19  jffun1958: 32. ... Bxf3+ forks w. king and rook.
33. Kxf3 Qb7+ or Qc6+ doing the same by skewering.
Feb-25-19  Cheapo by the Dozen: A little undramatic for a Monday, but I did wind up getting it.

Black wins material beyond the initial exchange-and-pawn because White has to scramble to avoid losing his queen to the next skewer.

Feb-25-19  AlicesKnight: Don't be too clever on a Monday; no Q sacrifices today. Found the gameline easily once I started to be sensible......
Feb-25-19
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  OrangeTulip: The not defended rook asks for tacticts. I agree with al wazir, more medium or well-done than light
Feb-25-19  et1: Yes, after a while the first move becomes obvious because there is nothing else in sight and then suddenly I realized the rook was trapped. Easy probably for seasoned players but not that much.
Feb-25-19  mel gibson: I saw it but it wasn't that easy.
You have to think carefully before sacrificing a piece.
Feb-25-19  saturn2: I saw 31...Bxf3+

32. Kxf3 Qc6+ means R+P vs B

Feb-25-19
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  whiteshark: I have calculated a bit further here today just to make sure that the ♕ cannot be caught.
Feb-25-19  N0B0DY: Well, I never!
Feb-25-19  beenthere240: This is like a problem in a tactics book. Love it!
Feb-25-19  Stale.Mate: Gentlemen, if I figured it out, itís easy.
Feb-25-19
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  gawain: I saw the moves as in the game--but I was merely thinking that something good might come from Black's queen incursion on the diagonal. I did not notice white's hanging rook on h1.
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