| Aug-18-04 | | patzer2: It would appear Black resigned prematurely, missing a pretty stalemate threat leading to a draw in the final position. If 52. Rxd7?, then White could draw after 52...Rxd7 53. g4+ fxg4 54. hxg4+ Kh4 55. Qxh6+ Kf4 56. Qf1+! QxQ stalemate. If 52. Qxf5, then 52...Ne5 53. Qxe5 Qd2 54. d7 Qf4+ 55. Qxf4 gxf4 56. g4+ fxg3+ 57. Kxg3 Kg5 58. Kf2 Kf4 =. If 52. g4+, then 52...fxg4 53. Qxg4+ Kg6 54. Qe6+ Kg7 55. Qe7+ Kg6 56. Qe6+ Kg7 57. Qe5+ Kg8 58. Qe6+ Kg7 = is a draw by perpetual check. |
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| Aug-18-04 | | williscreek: Black resigned because of Qf7+ followed by g3 mate. That was the point of Be1 (removing the pin on the g pawn). |
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| Aug-18-04 | | ConLaMismaMano: If 52.Qf7+ Kh4 53.g3??, then Qxg3+.
Maybe 52.Rb3! e3 53.g4+ fxg4 54.hxg4+ h4 55.Qxd3 Kxg4 56.Qf3+ Kh4 57.Qh3# |
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| Aug-19-04 | | patzer2: If 52. Rb3?, then Black wins after 52...f4!  . |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Maroczy: What about g4+, fg4-hg4, Kh4-Qh6 mate? |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Poulsen: that line is not mate - Kxg4, but white can case the king Dh3+ followed by g3+ |
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| Aug-19-04 | | acirce: There is no win here and I don't really understand why Black thought he was lost, afraid of 52.Qxf5 ? He seems to be saved by both <patzer2>'s move and 52..Nf6. Never exclude the possibility of an error in the game score, or he may have lost on time of course. OR he may have resigned. |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Poulsen: hmm, not even 52.Rc1 works - the idea being 52.-,Qxc1 53.Qf7+,Kh4 54.g3+#. Black simply plays 52.-,Qe3 ... |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Jack Rabbit: Wouldn't 51. Qf7+ have been a stronger finish? (51. Qf7+ Kh4 52. Be1) |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Maroczy: <Poulsen> There is a pawn on h3 on the board I'm looking at; K takes on g4 is illegal. |
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| Aug-19-04 | | patzer2: If 51. Qf7+ Kh4 52. Be1, then 52...Qxe1 53. Rxe7 Qg3+ Kg1 54. Qe1+ yields a draw by perpetual check. |
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| Aug-19-04 | | AgentRgent: According to Alexander Grischuk: "In my game against Vaganjan I bluffed. With only a few minutes on the clock I sacrificed a piece and my opponent had to think for a while. He lost a lot of time in that position and in the end he even lost on time." |
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| Aug-19-04 | | patzer2: <Maroczy> <What about g4+, fg4-hg4, Kh4-Qh6 mate?> If you are suggesting 52. g4+ fxg4 53. hxg4+ Kh4, then 53. Qxh6 is not mate (the King has an escape square on g4), but it is a nice alternative for reaching the draw. Play continues 53...Kxg4 54. Qh3+ Kf4 55. Qf1+ Qxf1+ = (stalemate). |
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| Aug-19-04 | | acirce: <AgentRgent> Interesting, and then we know what happened, what is your source? |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Jack Rabbit: You're right. I'm a little more convinced the resignation was premature. What seems tempting is to award (if that's the right word) 51. Be1 a ?; there still seems to be a win for White in the position after 50. -- Kh5. Let's try 51. Rb1 with the idea of discouraging any attmept by Black of establishing a mating net (if 51. -- Kh4? then 52. Be1 wins). So, of course, that makes 52. Qf7+ a greater threat. Possible parries: 51. -- Ne5 52. Qxe5. This brings up an interesting-looking threat of d7 after either 53. Qe6 or 53. Rd1 followed by Qe8. If the Black King is still on h5, it's, he's now in check, possibly forcing -- Rxe8 followed by deQ. 51. -- f5 52. Qg4+ Kg6 53. Be1 Ne5 54. Qe6+ Kh4 55. Qxe5. Again, White is threatening to engineer d7 and Qe8. |
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| Aug-19-04 | | AgentRgent: <acirce> The tournament website: http://www.chesstigers.de/cc/2004/e... |
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| Aug-19-04 | | Maroczy: <patzer2> Thanks. A case of chess blindness on my part. It's what's keeping me from the 2600 club:). |
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| Aug-19-04 | | suenteus po 147: This looks like Grischuk's equivalent of the Jedi Mind Trick. A very powerful technique if you can master it. |
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| Aug-19-04 | | patzer2: <Jack Rabbit> Your 51. Rb1! wins after 51...Nf8 52. Qf6 Qf4+ 53. Kh1 Qxd6 54. Qxf5 Qf4 55. Qb5!  Play in your line could continue 55..Rd3 56. Qe8+ Ng6 57. Be1 Qf1+ 58. Kh2 Qf4+ 59. Kg1 Rg3 60. Rb6 Rxg2+ 61. Kxg2 Qf3+ 62. Kg1 Qf5 63. Qc6 e3 64. Qe8 e2 65. Qxe2+ g4 66. hxg4+ . Of course for a quick and easy win, Grischuk should have played 51. Rb2! Qf4+ (52...Qe3 54. g3 Rf8 55. Bg7 ) 52. g3! Nf8 53. Qf7+ Ng6 54. gxf4 <AgentRgent> Thanks for giving us the tournament website. I find it interesting and ironic that a game with such a surprise ending would have determined the Ordix Open Tournament winner. For an additional twist, Vaganian placed second in this strong open tournament, with this being his only "loss!" |
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| Aug-22-04 | | jeffnool: i dont have a reference on the move 8.b4!? How about 8...Bf2? Can you analys it for me guys...thanks! |
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| Aug-22-04 | | acirce: <jeffnool> I don't find it in the database but the similar first Svidler-Shirov game on http://www.chessbase.com/games/2004... (León 2004) ended swiftly. This was after several White mistakes though, of course.. Also, here White's bishop is on d3 instead of e2. |
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| Aug-22-04 | | jeffnool: thanks acirce.... |
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Kibitzing
sac: 51.Be1