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Loek van Wely vs Vladimir Kramnik
Melody Amber Rapid 7th (1998) (rapid), Monte Carlo MNC, rd 1, Mar-13
Semi-Slav Defense: Stoltz Variation (D45)  ·  0-1



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Sep-21-06  lvlaple: "Black to play
Van Wely vs. Kramnik"

I was looking for a draw...

Sep-21-06  awfulhangover: <dakgootje: *joins the Ba6-club*> Me too :-) Too lazy to check if white had a perp check. But I would not have found Bd5. Ok, so maybe Kramnik is better than me after all. And he will soon be WC.
Sep-21-06  Trouble: This problem was pretty sick but I solved it
Sep-21-06  YouRang: Heh, I got it, with the help of dumb luck.

I saw right away that the main idea was to move the b7 bishop, clearing the way for ...Rxb2, after which White seems curiously helpless against mate.

To make it work, all I needed was a bishop move that carries a threat. For a while, I tried to make 29...Bxe4 work. Having gotten nowhere with that, I decided to stop the bishop one square sooner, at d5 (attacking the queen), and found this to be quite forcing. I never even considered 29...Ba6! If I had, I probably would have settled for that. :-)

So, even though I saw the solution, I feel like I should only get half a credit, since I really didn't consider the depth of it any better than those who missed it.

Sep-21-06  Sequoia: <al wazir: 29...Bd5 30. exd5 Rxb2 31. Rd2 Rxd2 32. Ke1 Rxf2>?? 32...Rb2 or Rc2.
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  kevin86: Could this actually be a flaw of Democracy? Most people picked the incorrect move Ba6-and would have probably have drawn. The "expert" move was Bd5-the correct move.

So Democracy may not be the right way to go---A Representative Republic is a little different. There the people are asked to pick their choice of "experts". Sounds better.

By the way,the USA is NOT a Democracy,but a Representative Republic.

Just something to think about.

Sep-21-06  TrueBlue: kevin86, totally agree. That's why we are making stupid moves in the Arno's game. The smart people are overvoted by the mediocre.
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  Domdaniel: <kevin86> Maybe a 'Representative Republic' is better than a Democracy. Trouble is, the 'experts' tend to be experts at getting elected, rather than anything else.

<TrueBlue> The lesson for our Nickel game? Rhetoric has weight, maybe?

Sep-21-06  YouRang: <Domdaniel><Trouble is, the 'experts' tend to be experts at getting elected, rather than anything else.>

Astute observation. :-)

Sep-21-06  The17thPawn: Going back to move 15 in the game blacks ...Bxh2 staggered me because I didn't see a mating combination or staggering material gain if white takes on h2. Any ideas out there fellow kibitzers?
Sep-21-06  bakuazer: I did not see 29..Bd5!, my choice was 29..Bc6. (amasingly I was moving it in the right direction) I think this wins, the perpetual check can be stopped by sacrificing the bishop. Do I miss smth. again?
Sep-21-06  esticles: <bakuazer> Yes. Bc6? doesn't force anything, white simply defends or pushes the pawn b2. Bd5 is necessary for tempo on the queen.
Sep-21-06  esticles: <The17thPawn> There is no special combination after 16. Kxh2, it's simply a trade after queen checks and pawn takes bishop. Positionally, it is preferable for white to maintain his light-squared bishop and thereby keep black's queenside pawns isolated; this is why he wisely chose not to take the bishop.
Sep-21-06  esticles: <The17thPawn> If you were asking the point of 15...Bxh2+ itself, it is to give the queen an opportunity to deliver check (if white chooses to take) and thereby save herself from the discovery from the rook.
Sep-21-06  vesivialvy93: <bakuaser> too i was Bc6 but as <esticles> said here the tempo wins , good combinations and most of us understand the idea....
Sep-21-06  bakuazer: <esticles>, 29..Bc6 30.b3 Bxc3 31.Qxc3 Bb5+ 32.Ke1 Qg1+ 33.Kd2 Rd8+

and I don't see how else white could defend; it is true 29..Bc6 gives tempo, but white is still helpless, seems to me.

Sep-21-06  aw1988: What an insane move! Never would have found it in a million years..
Sep-21-06  doglikegroove: <TrueBlue:That's why we are making stupid moves in the Arno's game. The smart people are overvoted by the mediocre.>

I don't think it's a matter of smart versus mediocre; I haven't met a lot of people here who weren't smart.

I think the problem vs Nickel is that hundreds of people from dozens of places with a plethora of styles cannot have a <plan>.

So we pick <a> move. And then another move. It makes us one big patzer, making one move at a time, while Arno can actually have a strategy. And we all know how that plays out.

Chess isn't an election, it's a five-year plan.

Sep-21-06  TrueBlue: and pigs play chess :)
Sep-21-06  sandmanbrig: Joining Ba6 club.
Sep-21-06  betin1975: Hello all, I may have missed something, but why after 29 .. Bd5! 30. Qd3 isn't a good move? I see that the battle continues and perhaps only a pawn down but not a mate...
Sep-21-06  Wade Keller: 29.....Ba6 or Bd5?
Either way white can respond with 30. Qa6 and presumably have a draw. Right?
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  chancho: <betin1975> 30.Qd3 Rxb2 31.Rd2 Bc4! 31.Qxc4 Rxd2 looks winning for black.
Sep-25-06  YouRang: <Wade Keller: 29.....Ba6 or Bd5? Either way white can respond with 30. Qa6 and presumably have a draw. Right?>

No. After 29...Ba6 30. Qxa6, it goes:
30...Rxb2 (threatening Qh1# mate) 31. Qc8+ Kh7 32. Qf5+ g6 33. Qxf7+ Bg7 34. Ne2 Qh1+ 35. Ng1, and Black's attack is stalled.

But after 29...Bd5 30. Qa6, it goes:
30...Rxb2 (threatening Qh1# mate) 31. Qc8+ Kh7 32. Qf5+ g6 --- and NOW, 33. Qxf7 doesn't work: f7 is guarded by the bishop at d5. White's defense has stalled.

Instead of 32. Qf5+, white could try 32. Ne2, but then 32...Qh1+ 33. Ng1 Bxf2, and mate is imminent.

Dec-21-14  shoshonte: On the opening of this game, it seems like 16. Kh1 was a mistake. Better was 16.Kf1 avoiding the eventual Qh2 with check. If 15...Qc7 instead of Bxh2, 16. Be2 seems to hold for white as in the game Goganov-Bajarani 2011
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