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|Mar-27-18|| ||al wazir: I went with 14. Nxe6. If now 14...Qc8, then 15. Nxg7+ Kd8 16. Re8+ Kc7 17. Rxc8+ Kxc8, and white has ♕ vs. ♖+♙+♙. |
If 14. Rxe6+, black can play 14...Be7, avoiding immediate mate. After 15. Rxe7+ Qxe7 16. fxe7, white has ♕+♗ vs. ♖+♙.
Not a whole lot of difference.
|Mar-27-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: Sort of a variant on fool's mate with 14. Rxe6 Be7 (...fxe6 15. Qh5+ g6 16. Qxg6#) 15. Rxe7+ Kf8 (or queen sac) and it looks like it's still possible to exploit the f7 weak spot with 16. Ne6+ fxe6 (Kg8? Rxg7#) 17. Qh5+ and mate in 2.|
|Mar-27-18|| ||stst: check if pure eye-balling misses something:
(B).............Be7 (tougher defense)
if in (♗)
17.♕xg6 let go ♔f8... still some lapses to go..
|Mar-27-18|| ||stst: NN takes the easier route, but it's for White!! (to win more easily!!)|
|Mar-27-18|| ||saturn2: 14 Rxe6+ and black cannot retake|
|Mar-27-18|| ||stst: <...We're kind of like Pavlov's dogs. :-) Welcome back ... not Volvo, but Rang!!>|
Indeed that's some reason supporting NOT TO choose Nxe6... as it RANG!! Mon/Tue take the direct charge... Q/R-sac!! got it!!
|Mar-27-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: Correction: 17. Qh5 (not check), threatening Qf7# so black is forced to sac the queen. |
Has anyone found a forced mate in this line?
|Mar-27-18|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Now that feels like a Monday puzzle to me!
Oh, it's Tuesday already??
|Mar-27-18|| ||agb2002: White has a bishop and a knight for the bishop pair.|
Black threatens Nxf6.
The black king cannot move and the white queen can go to h5 at once. Hence, 14.Rxe6+ Be7 (14... fxe6 15.Qh5+ g6 16.Qxg6#) 15.Rxe7+ wins more than a piece and a pawn: 15... Kf8 16.Qh5 g6 17.Qxg6 Qxe7 (17... fxg6 18.Ne6+ Kg8 19.Rg7#) 18.fxe7+, etc.
|Mar-27-18|| ||Honey Blend: If 14. ... ♗e7 15. ♖xe7 ♔f8, White has the lovely finish 16. ♘e6+! fxe6 17. ♕xd6:|
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Followed by 17. ... ♘xf6 18. ♖d7+ etc
|Mar-27-18|| ||landshark: <Cheapo by the Dozen>
It's Monday. Don't be fooled...|
|Mar-27-18|| ||leRevenant: Much less fuss than yesterday's bleep on the radar.|
|Mar-27-18|| ||goodevans: I can't see much to choose between 14.Rxe6+ and 14.Nxe6. Both are crushing.|
If you need to be able to find a clear distinction between them to solve this "Tuesday" puzzle then I've failed.
|Mar-27-18|| ||morfishine: <14.Rxe6+>|
|Mar-27-18|| ||Mayankk: It probably is more difficult to go wrong in this puzzle. I mean what else can you play!|
And even the choice of sac hardly matters it seems.
|Mar-27-18|| ||malt: 14.R:e6+ Be7
(14...fe6 15.Qh5+ g6 16.Q:g6# )
15.R:e7+ Kf8 16.fg7+ or 16.Ne6+ wins
|Mar-27-18|| ||zb2cr: I went with 14. Rxe6+, Be7; 15. Rxe7+, Kf8; 16. Ne6+, fxe6; 17. Qh5, Qxe7; 18. fxe7+, Kxe7 and White has Q vs. R.|
|Mar-27-18|| ||patzer2: I had difficulty deciding between 14. Nxe6 +- and 14. Rxe6+ +- for my solution to today's Tuesday (14. ?) puzzle.|
According to our Stockfish 9 tool's analysis of move 14.? both moves win easily with 14. Rxe6+ being the stronger choice.
P.S.: Black's clealy decisive mistake was 11...h6?, allowing 12. e5! +- (+3.19 @ 21 ply, Stockfish 9). Instead, 11...Qb8 12. b3 ± (+0.82 @ 18 ply, Stockfish 9) gives Black a fighting chance.
Earlier, Stockfish 9 prefers 9...Qd7 10. Nxc6 Qxc6 ⩲ (+0.47 @ 20 ply) over the game continuation.
|Mar-27-18|| ||patzer2: <BlueMooner: It seems to me that 4...b6 was the start of Black's woes...Is 4...b6 a normal variation in the English?> According to our Opening Explorer, 4...b6 is one of the least played opening variations (last played in 2016) in this English opening line, but surprisngly it has scored almost as well for Black as the popular choices 4...g6 and 4...d5.|
The computer prefers opening up a big hole on d5 with 4...e5, but most masters avoid it.
|Mar-27-18|| ||SpamIAm: <patzer2>- Agreed re 11...h6? being the decisive mistake. But 9...Ne5?? perhaps deserves not just one but two question marks as it moves an already developed piece again while other pieces are screaming to be moved and practically begs Kramnik to play 10.f4, gaining tempi by chasing it and reinforcing the upcoming 12.e5. NN probably didn't realize that the 'threat' to the c-pawn was phony (because of white playing Qa4+ in response) until he took his hand off of the horse. But even if white had to pause for 10.b3 he was going to play 11.f4 next with gain of time. Instructive.|
|Mar-27-18|| ||SpamIAm: Seeing what happened even 13...Bh3!? was a better try. Still doesn't save the game but the move does have a certain Dada Defense look to it.|
|Mar-27-18|| ||mjmorri: With 9...Ne5, NN decides to play for the win against a GM. After playing for about 500 years, you would think he would know better by now.|
|Mar-27-18|| ||SpamIAm: <mjmorri>- LOL. When such a player instead opts for 9...Qd7 we will then attempt to find out his birth name. ;)|
|Mar-27-18|| ||PJs Studio: I chose Nxe6 after ten seconds. Oddly enough, I may have seen Rxe6 over the board because as GM Lasker said “When you see a good move, don’t make it! Look for a better one.”|
I live by that motto in middlegames. (I’m fully aware Lasker was pre-GM. But he was WAY ahead of his time. So I use the title anyway...) 😝
|Mar-27-18|| ||cormier: |
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Analysis by Houdini 4: d 25 dpa done
1. + / = (0.30): 9...Qd7 10.Be3 Be7 11.Qe2 0-0 12.Rad1 Rad8 13.f4 Qc8 14.Nxc6 Bxc6 15.b3 Qb7 16.Bd4 Rfe8 17.Bf3 e5 18.Bf2 exf4 19.gxf4 Bf8 20.Rfe1 g6 21.Kg2 Bg7 22.Bd4 Qe7
2. + / = (0.36): 9...Qc8 10.Ndb5 Qb8 11.Bg5 Be7 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.Rc1 0-0 14.Nd4 Nxd4 15.Qxd4 Qc7 16.Rfd1 Qc6 17.Qd3 a6 18.Ne2 Rac8 19.Nf4 Qc5 20.e5 Bxg2 21.exd6 Bxd6 22.Qxd6 Bf3 23.Qxc5 Rxc5 24.Rd6 Rb8 25.Nd3 Rg5
3. + / = (0.46): 9...Qc7 10.Ncb5 Qc8 11.Nxc6 Qxc6 12.Bf4 Be7 13.Qe2 e5 14.Bg5 0-0 15.Rad1 Rfd8 16.Nc3 Qd7 17.b3 h6 18.Be3 h5 19.Bg5 Ng4 20.Bxe7 Qxe7 21.Bh3 Nf6 22.Kg2 h4 23.Rg1 hxg3 24.hxg3 Re8 25.Rh1
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