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Natalia Zhukova vs Alexander Areshchenko
73rd Ukrainian Championship (2004), Kharkiv UKR, rd 1, Aug-24
Modern Defense: Fianchetto. Azmaiparashvili Variation (A42)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Sep-09-04  Knight13: Pawns are better than rooks in the end game. So both has 1 rook. That means it's gonna be a check or pawn kill.

Nice Drawn game.

Sep-09-04  Knezh: <Pawns are better than rooks in the end game> I am honestly sorry but what the heck are you talking about? What happens is that you flood the recent kibitzing list with your posts which are hard to make sense of. Please be more selective in kibitzing.. No personal offence meant!
Sep-09-04  themindset: yes, that made no sense.
Sep-10-04  grasser: He is only 13. I can attest that 3 connected pawns beat a rook. It depends on the position of course.
Sep-10-04  iron maiden: <grasser>, welcome to from all of us. Enjoy the site.
Sep-10-04  Knight13: I am talking about "2 pawns connected." Dose it make sence now?
Sep-10-04  Giancarlo: <knight13>

2 pawns connected is RARELY, and I mean like 1% of the time better then a rook.

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  tpstar: The original kibitz was wrong on all levels. First, a Rook (5 points) is always superior to a Pawn (1 point), even in the endgame, with 2 exceptions = if that Pawn delivers mate on the move (where relative units have no meaning), or if that Pawn promotes to a Queen (9 points), at which point it's not a Pawn anymore. By experience and convention, 2 connected passed Pawns on the 6th Rank are considered equivalent to a Rook throughout the game (not just in the endgame) given such a duo's high potential for Queening. Second, if 28 ... Rxe4 then both players have 2 Rooks and 5 Pawns, a drawn endgame at their level with best play, therefore the comment "So both has 1 Rook" is irrelevant to this game and only serves to thoroughly confuse people. Third, "That means it's gonna be a check or pawn kill" is another one of those odd phrases that the poster may understand perfectly well yet nobody else here can comprehend, even in context, which comes across as complete nonsense. As far as this game itself, I found it fairly tame and average (read: boring) for master level, dead even throughout, but if anyone else thought it was a nice game, great.

Kibitzing is designed to improve understanding of that game and/or of chess itself, for both the poster and the reader, without making things worse. Now that makes sense.

Dec-19-06  farrooj: This page makes me laugh everytime I read it...
Jun-29-07  Chess Classics: Hehe, I finally understood Knight13's post for the first time. Sorry I'm a little slow, but that did make me chuckle when I figured it out...


Mar-19-08  positionalgenius: Great kibitzing here
Mar-19-08  ounos: Pawns are awful. I would capture my own if the rules allowed that. I usually try to entice my opponent to do this dirty and time-consuming work for me, while I shuffle my rooks around and do a "check or pawn kill", whichever comes first, ya know.
Mar-22-08  positionalgenius: Classic kibitzing here... makes me laugh every time
Sep-23-08  ToTheDeath: <Pawns are better than rooks in the end game. So both has 1 rook. That means it's gonna be a check or pawn kill.

Nice Drawn game.>

Best kibitz EVA.

Mar-31-09  WhiteRook48: why did white take the draw? He's a queen up
Aug-01-09  Xeroxx: She is a queen up.

Natalia is a girls name.

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  offramp: I agree this is one of my favourite pages!
Oct-30-09  Mate Hunter: Epic thread... hopefully the original poster understood his own post!
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  FSR: Having read <Knight13>'s comment and played over the game, I now support drug testing for chess kibitzers.
Nov-04-12  Shams: So *this* is the famous "pawns are better than rooks in the end game" game.

We have to note that <Knight13> was about thirteen years old when he made that post. It's enough to make me thank god I was a teenager in the pre-internet era.

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  perfidious: Only thing with any life, come to this game, was the original post and responses.
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  offramp: <Sep-09-04 Knight13: Pawns are better than rooks in the end game. So both has 1 rook. That means it's gonna be a check or pawn kill. Nice Drawn game.>

A great great post!

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