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Peter Leko vs Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004), Brissago SUI, rd 3, Sep-28
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Jaenisch Variation (C42)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Sep-28-04  TylerD: all that said: my favorite player isnīt Kasparov. I have a trio of players which I prefer: 1. Svidler 2. Topalov 3. Sjirov But talking achievment and potential, fact says Kasparov is the greatest ever. And still top 3.
Sep-28-04  Swindler: <refutor> Really? I thought it gave White more than the 3.Nxe5 line, take some Fischer games for example (OK, that was 30+ years ago but still...)
Sep-28-04  Simagin: To acirce
I do not see that Leko is being outplayed, actually I do not think Kramnik has played that well. He played allright in game 1 and played actively with the 2 rooks as one has to in that situation, but so far nothing spetacular
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  kevin86: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep-28-04  Kean: Kasparov would be the perfect opponent for Kramnik to settle things at least, and it would be exciting if only by the clash of their styles. I mean surely Kasparov would push Kramnik to unclear positions, at his own risk.
Sep-28-04  acirce: <Simagin> Wow, you must be the only one who says "nothing spectacular" about the first game! After that win he has got everything he wanted including this easy draw as Black due to his good preparation and Leko's lousy. Leko is being outplayed at this point, and in one way it is instructive to watch how great players do that against less great players. I'm not counting Leko out yet though..
Sep-28-04  AdrianP: "OK, Peter - you're a 1. e4 player, what openings do you hate playing against." "What, you mean apart from the Berlin, has to be the Petroff - they're both *so* boring...!" (Kramnik's camp)
Sep-28-04  Simagin: To acirce
Well move 44 & 45 was good moves from Kramnik, but as you might sense "he is not my cop of tea", meaning i dont like him as a player
Sep-28-04  clocked: All 3 games have been total prep by the player of the black pieces. However, if one looks at the slight mistakes, Leko has made more at this point.
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  me to play: 3.d4 is as good a try against the Petrov as any fact it has a better winning % than 3.Nxe5 in the data base. I personally have done pretty well with 3.d4, but then again my opponents have not been of Kramnik's strength :)
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  Willem Wallekers: I hate Petroff and Scandinavian when I play 1. e4.
I turn Petroff into Three or Four Knights game wtih 3. Nc3.
Sep-28-04  Kean: This match has only showed, until now, a better preparation by Kramnik. Still the three games should have been draws.
Sep-28-04  AdrianP: 17 ...Qc2!? was apparently the novelty which, it seems to me, puts a slight question mark over 15. Bf4?! - does anyone know this line in detail - are there theoretical alternatives to 15. Bf4?
Sep-28-04  Giancarlo: shhh, im at the computer lab at my school :-)
so another draw huh? I was excpeting more from leko today.

Saw Petrov again today, almost exactly like game 1. Personally i was hoping for berlin, but i guess not today. Maybe next time.

Who seems to have an edge here or is it pretty equal? Looks like black can be better because of his pawn structure, much like the way the draw looked in <game 2> Kramnik is playing it safe with pawn moves as black which I like.

Sep-28-04  patzer2: Is this all there is against the Petroff? If these first 15 moves are best play, then could 1.e4 be busted as a winning try for White after 1...Nf6? Based on this match and other recent GM games, both 16. h3 and 16. c5 are beginning to look drawish.

If he goes on to win the match, Perhaps Kramnik should get someone to co-author a book on the Petroff. I'm expecting to see more of the Petroff at all levels of play after this.

Sep-28-04  acirce: 15.Be3 was played in Bologan-Degraeve, 2000 and Movsesian vs P Haba, 2002 - the latter with not more of a success..

15.c4 on a bit lower level in Berczes-Harmon 2003

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  Joshka: <patzer2> Drawing with the Petroff is nothing extraordinary, Karpov used this defense many times over the's a hard nut to crack.....check out those 48 games with Kasparov in their first match in 1984-1985..I believe many of those draws were Petroff's.
Sep-28-04  acirce: <Joshka> Three of the draws were Petrov's.. in one of those, Kasparov was Black. There was also one Petrov where Kasparov as White won (the 48th and last).
Sep-28-04  HolyKnight: The Petroff system where white does not play d4 and they both exchange off the king pawns. Well it looks simalar in nature to a French Exchange. Pawn structure and so forth. Drawish in nature.
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  InspiredByMorphy: <me to play> I think that 3.d4 is best. It develops the center, and activates the queen bishop instead of touching the same piece three times. 2.Nf3 3.Nxe5 4.Nf3 like in the standard Petrov. Many of my favorites have used 3.d4 effectively. For example ...

Morphy vs Lowenthal, 1858
Schlechter vs Kern, 1893
Steinitz vs Pillsbury, 1895
Chigorin vs Halprin, 1898
Lasker vs J Mason, 1900
Alekhine vs S Levitsky, 1914
Spassky vs I Vistanezkis, 1959
Bronstein vs Maslov Yevgenij, 1959
Tal vs Osnos, 1964
Fischer vs AD Schmid, 1964

Sep-28-04  acirce: The difference between 3.d4 and 3.Ne5 is not as big as it may seem, the main lines often lead to pretty similar positions. It will be very interesting to see what Leko is going to try in his next white game...
Sep-28-04  HolyKnight: What about 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d3

Take it into a KIA type position. I don't think Black would do well playing symetry in a KIA.

Sep-28-04  ruylopez900: Hmm, I think the greatest thing for Kramnik is that there is practically no way for Leko to avoid the Petroff! He's an e4 player through and through and playing something else in this sort of match is not the smartest. Once e4 e5 have been played you play the King's Gambit or Nf3. Leko does not seem like a Gambit kind of player so it's Nf3, then Kramnik plays Nf6 and its all wrapped up!
Sep-28-04  ruylopez900: <Holy Knight> That is passive and basically surrenders White's advantage in one move.
Sep-28-04  Giancarlo: Still play in the position, although looking drawish.

I forget who it was, but someone said Leko would win this game and tha match. Well, obviously not if he keeps accepting these early draws!

the alternative from Game 1 <16.h3>, which I didn't like. <16.c4> is a much better move for Leko, and I think he knew this coming into today after reviewing game 1.

Intresting move by Kramnik. Utilizing the battery. Looked like the drawish move he wanted.

Other than that, not much eles to say. The reason I think Leko is taking the early draws is because he's still recovering from Gam 1. But still 11 game left to play.(Maybe)

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