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Peter Leko vs Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004), Brissago SUI, rd 3, Sep-28
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Jaenisch Variation (C42)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Sep-28-04  percyblakeney: I said that Leko would win the game and the match. I'm never in doubt, but in most cases wrong... If it continues like this it will be easier for Kramnik than he ever can have imagined. But I'll be surprised if Leko doesn't have more to show than this.
Sep-28-04  InspiredByMorphy: If only Leko would play the Kings gambit! Kramnik would be very surprised.
Sep-28-04  HolyKnight: RuyLopez900, if you are an e4 player and you know your opponent loves that Petroff. I feel you need to create some imbalance in the position. (even at your own risk) Or become an end game guru real quick. The opening I would say does not offer Black a winning chance as much as a Sicilian or French lets say. But Petroff is just a brick wall.
Sep-28-04  InspiredByMorphy: If hes not going to play the Kings gambit (I wish he would) or 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 then Leko should play 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3
Sep-28-04  iron maiden: I think Leko's just biding his time now, trying to keep the pressure on Kramnik. We're probably in for a few more quick draws before we see what he really has.
Sep-28-04  acirce: A few more early draws!? Leko has to win twice against the perhaps most solid player in the world, no, I don't think he wants that. I'm sure he didn't want this to happen either.
Sep-28-04  HolyKnight: Leko needs to take lessons from Korchnoi. Kramnik reminds me of Karpov allot. That is where I loved Korchnoi he was the master of transition in openings. I play 1.c4 to avoid your pet Grunfeld Karpov. Stuff like that.
Sep-28-04  Minor Piece Activity: Nice collection in the making, ruylopez. =)
Sep-28-04  Calchexas: meh. Another (relatively) quick draw. C'mon Leko...you can do it...

What happens after 24. d6, by the way? That looks pretty interesting to me.

Sep-28-04
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  offramp: Essentially we only saw 7 moves today; moves 1 to 16 we had all seen before. Not very enthralling.
Sep-28-04  suenteus po 147: <ruylopez900> Your growing game collection looks awesome. It'll be something to lokk back at in ten years, and you can say you were there watching it all has it happened. Very cool stuff.

Why doesn't Leko try something really unorthodox, like the Center Game? Or the Vienna?

Sep-28-04  chocaholic: If Kramnik plays the Petroff again in game 5, Leko should play the cochrane gambit!

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. Nxe5 d6
4. Nxf7 !!!!!!!

Probably unsound, but would certainly throw Kramnik off of his opening preparation!

Sep-28-04  InspiredByMorphy: I must make a correction to my last post. The first game between Morphy and Lowenthal is not real. It is this game with a different name. Von Der Lasa vs Jaenisch, 1842 . He always played 3.Nxe5 .
Sep-28-04  Drstrangelove: <chocaholic> Kramnik has played against it before and done alright. Topalov vs Kramnik, 1999
Sep-29-04  refutor: <petroff...3.d4...take some fischer games as example>

in this database, the petroff that fischer played against top tier guys was 3.Nxe5

Fischer vs Bisguier, 1959 Fischer vs Gheorghiu, 1970 Fischer vs Petrosian, 1971

Sep-29-04  acirce: <offramp> But you're forgetting that thrilling 50-minute think by Leko. Who said there is no action in chess?
Sep-29-04
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  Joshka: <acirce> Thanks for the info on the 3 draws in that 48 game match, really thought there were more!:-)...also I believe you made a comment about other "long" thinks....check out Kasparov-Karpov Game 6 from London 1986. Kaspy thought 69 minutes on 20.Rd7?!...I believe Bd5 was the right move.
Sep-29-04
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  offramp: Dr Nunn reckons that you should never think for more than ~20 mins on a move; after that you are wasting your time.

How often have you read this:
"White thought for 50 minutes over his reply, but the move is in fact a mistake..."

Sep-29-04  acirce: Even short games have their interest while they last.. Some of the comments on http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... might be found instructive.

<Joshka> Thank you, that should be Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 - know anything else about this game? I'll have a look at it, and that position, later..

Sep-29-04  ruylopez900: <HolyKnight<I feel you need to create some imbalance in the position.> >The only imbalance you are creating is bunkering down as White and playing passively though! This is fine as Black, but when you're white and have the first move, such openings aren't that good! The give black equality, they don't make him earn it!

<suenteus po> Thanks.

Sep-29-04
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  patzer2: <chocaholic> After entering the Cochrane with 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7!? Kxf7 5. d4, Black has the interesting 5...c5!? which has become the most popular line for the second player. Although there have been few serious tests of the line, Black won both games played at the GM level in A Vitolinsh vs Khalifman, 1984 and Short vs Shirov, 2002.

The Shirov win was a rapid, and, as <clocked> notes there, White missing a winning chance at move 30 following a Black blunder. I'm hoping other strong GMs will be willing to take the risk and give the line further tests.

Perhaps the Cochrane might be a good risk for Leko in this match, especially with him needing to take risks for winning chances. An interesting online analysis of the Cochrane gambit may be found at http://www.schach.gmxhome.de/boofre... .

Sep-30-04
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  Joshka: <patzer2> Thanks for this Cochrane link..it's great! everything's here...yea...Leko should look into this...although Kramnik DOES I'm sure know many of the in's and out's...one can't know EVERY line...maybe Leko can get one that he might not be up too par on....
Sep-30-04
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  Joshka: <offramp> Interesting comment by Dr. Nunn...does he give the reasons why, one is wasting time?....
Sep-30-04
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  Joshka: <acirce>...well Karpov made his reply...according to Keene, instantly!...I have the Keene book on that match.
Sep-30-04
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  offramp: I think he meant that if you have three good candidate moves you should try and analyse them to about five moves deep - beyond that and your analysis may well become inaccurate. And at about an minute a move with some checking that's about 20 mins.
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