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Vladimir Kramnik vs Peter Leko
"Last Dance" (game of the day Nov-28-2016)
Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004), Brissago SUI, rd 14, Oct-18
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance. Tal Variation (B12)  ·  1-0

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Sep-18-05  csmath: According to you. He doesn't have a positive score against Anand. I believe he has even score with Kasparov as well. Interesting also that he has negative score against Shirov and Adams, which might not be currently in the top eight but certainly do belong in the narrow elite at the top.
Sep-18-05  csmath: Interesting enough, Kramnik lost one match to Adams in the past. In 1999 he lost a mini-match to Adams in FIDE cycle, on tie-breaks though. That was also when he was trying in all sorts of cycles to get to the crown and the fourth time he failed. This was after he failed against Shirov in Cazorla.

Yet good old "Santa Clauses" Keene and Kasparov gave him the match chance in London 2000. Ever wonder why he doesn't get the respect WC would be entitled to? :-)

Now the FIDE champion like Kasim is below his position? This is after Kramnik himself twice failed in FIDE cycles. The logic of Kramnik's idolizers is really interesting.

Sep-18-05  TIMER: <csmath> Yes, Adams is known to be a problem player for Kramnik, as Kramnik was for Kasparov. Kramnik would not have wanted to face Adams in a match.
Sep-18-05  iron maiden: <csmath> Kramnik is 5-4 in classical games against both Kasparov and Anand. Or do you know of any other wins at normal time control?
Sep-18-05  csmath: Go and check this database and count, instead of parroting Hesam7 and acirce.
Sep-18-05  iron maiden: Here are all the decisive normal time contol games that I could find between Anand and Kramnik. Kramnik leads 5-4.

Kramnik vs Anand, 1996
Kramnik vs Anand, 1996
Kramnik vs Anand, 1996
Kramnik vs Anand, 1997
Anand vs Kramnik, 1998
Kramnik vs Anand, 1999
Kramnik vs Anand, 2000
Kramnik vs Anand, 2001
Anand vs Kramnik, 2005

Sep-18-05  iron maiden: And here are all the decisive classical Kasparov-Kramnik encounters I could find:

Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1997
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1997
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 2001

Sep-18-05  csmath: Go try again, and report again to me, I am doing something but will be back later. And decide how do you wanna call them, "classical" or "normal." Precisely also check what that means in each of the games you list, are they all the same or there is some difference from game to game. :-))

I don't know what about acirce but I can almost bet, and I did play tournaments in my life, that neither you nor Hesam7 know what "classical," "normal," or "regular" time controls mean even though you keep on parroting each other about that.

Sep-18-05  iron maiden: I think Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 should also be on the list, bringing the overall count to 5-4 for Kramnik, as I claimed. If you can find any other victories for either player I'd like to know, but just about every reliable source I have seen maintains that it is indeed 5-4.
Sep-18-05  csmath: Interesting. Perhaps you are right, again I would like to know what exactly were these "standard" time controls in all these games. Do you know? Are they all the same or there is a difference?
Sep-18-05  iron maiden: I'm not sure they are all the exact same time control but none of them were rapid.
Sep-18-05  roni.chessman: <And here are all the decisive classical Kasparov-Kramnik encounters I could find: Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1997
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1997
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000
Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000
Kasparov vs Kramnik, 2001 >

White wins all the time...lol

Sep-18-05  iron maiden: Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 was a black win.
Sep-18-05  csmath: Talking about "standard" time controls what exactly is Kramnik's record against Topalov?
Sep-18-05  Hesam7: @ csmath

+10 -5 in Kramnik's favor.

Sep-18-05  csmath: Talking about this difference it occured to me that a great majority of games Kramnik decided (won or lost) was on less than 60 minutes total for both players. Now if we exclude these games Kramnik becomes the biggest drawnik among the current elite players, is he?

His wins against a top-5 players are at the rate of perhaps 3/year or less.

Karpov would really have to laugh his ass out on this one.

Sep-18-05  csmath: Also, check with Kasparov first 5 years as a champion.

Kramnik record against Kasparov is 0-1 total, according to you guys, 2001-2005. That was the best player out.

Kasparov's record, only in matches against Karpov, the best player out there, in his first 5 years of reign (1985-1989) was 10-9 only in two matches they played, not going into tournaments.

This turtle Kramnik that postures as a champion is barely able to beat anybody in "classical" time control in the last five years, and considering only people in the elite it would hardly amount to a fraction of the wins Kasparov had only in the matches defending his title. That is in short phrase - appaling.

I am sure you can compare that with Bobby Fischer, who in that regard should be still considered a world champion too. :-))

Sep-18-05  csmath: In other words, one day Kramnik gets ready to write his "memorable games" book he will have to include some memorable draws in it, since if all the rapids, blitzes, and blindfolds are tossed out, there will be hardly anything left to write about. :-))

One more check for the argument of kicking him out from WC pedestal.

Sep-18-05  Hesam7: <csmath: csmath: Talking about this difference it occured to me that a great majority of games Kramnik decided (won or lost) was on less than 60 minutes total for both players.>

How did you came up with that??

Sep-18-05  csmath: Just my estimate, reading this thread. You can check this database. Some of Kramnik fans could help here, they surely can do a service to his greatness counting the number of "classical" wins and losses. I shall then check the overall record and tell you the percentage. Let me know when you finish the count. :-)

To help you start I can say that Kramnik decided a total of 13 games this year on all the supertournaments he played (+6, -7), which is pretty much all long time controls. This is exactly what he has done on rapid part of Amber this year (13 decided games), not counting blindfold. I think this is probably better than what he was doing in the past when he was losing less. :-) You know, when he was "spectacular." :-)

Oct-23-05  Unicornio: Leko is a chicken, but Drawmnik wasnt better, he just found himself with Drewko running like a coward to obtain a draw, and Leko played like a patzer.

The worsest match ever!!

Oct-24-05  Dionyseus: This is the first game in which Leko arrived at the board late. Kramnik played e4, and a minute later Leko arrived. Leko spent the next two minutes preparing his score sheet and straightening out his pieces, his hands were slightly shaking. So Leko's 1...c6 was played 3 minutes after Kramnik's move. Kramnik's 2.d4 came in 10 seconds after.

I disagree with Keene's opening comment of this game, I think this game was Leko's worst, I remember watching this game live on Playchess, everyone thought Leko was playing strangely and poorly.

It looks like Leko tried too hard to draw this game. When he brought that queen out in the ninth move it was like he was screaming to trade queens for a draw.

22...Kd8 looks ugly, even to an amateur as me. Black was too passive in this game, and he got punished for it.

Oct-31-05
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  Open Defence: It is surprising that most comments have not mentioned the technique not to mention nerves required to win a game such as this
Nov-08-05  seeminor: i agree with Unicornio. this 14 game "match" was a load of garbage. Apparently the great technique of these to professional insomniac busters is the reason this was like watching piant dry. My chair fell asleep the games were that dull!
Dec-24-05
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  offramp: One thing that bugs me about this game.
Leko played 33...Rxa4, threatening the pawn on d4


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Kramnik ignored it and played 34.f4!

Leko analyses that he can't take the d-pawn, so what does he do? 34... Ra2+ 35.Kf3 Ra3+ 36.Kg4. And now, having chased the king into the centre of the board, he resumes his attack on the d-pawn!


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36...Rd3. As if the attack might work *now* - now that the white king is so much better placed.

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