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Armand Edward Blackmar vs L S Atkinson
BDGW corr (1884) (correspondence), ?
Blackmar-Diemer Gambit: Gedult Gambit (D00)  ·  1-0

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Jan-21-14
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  Penguincw: 2/2 this week. :)
Jan-21-14
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  whiteshark: <13.Nxf7!!!>, and that's it. As a true BDGambiteer you don't go for the exchange after <13... Qb6>, but play <14.Rxf3!!!!> for further attack.


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Jan-21-14  Hevelius: Another promising Tuesday, with a nice puzzle that took me a dozen of seconds to be worked out. Now that's a good way to get the afternoon work afoot. Good day everyone.
Jan-21-14  TheTamale: <Skewbrow>: I agree that in your line White seems to have run out of firepower, and he's just down in material. I agree with <Ratt Boy>'s assessment: for a Tuesday puzzle, this sure doesn't lead to an inevitable conclusion. Rest assured if I were White, I'd find a way to lose it.
Jan-21-14  solskytz: For some reason, after updating Java on my browser (google chrome) I can suddenly no longer see the games on chessgames.com. Anybody has an idea how to solve this?
Jan-21-14  mel gibson: Computer replies:

13... Qb6
14 Rxf3 Rf8
15 Qxe6 c5
16 d5 QxQ
17 PxQ Nb8 value for black = -3.09

White wins with checkmate by move 62.
Not an easy win for white.

Jan-21-14  TheTamale: <solskytz>: Can't guarantee this will help, but it's something you can try - click the "Profile" button at the top of the page. Then find the "edit your preferences" link and play around with the "Choose Game Viewer" option. I believe this is what I did last time I updated Java. Good luck!
Jan-21-14  DcGentle: The game opening is the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit (BDG).

This line :<1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Nxf3 g6 6. Bc4 Bg7 7. O-O O-O 8. Qe1 Nc6 9. Qh4 Bg4> is most likely one of the best lines for Black to play against this gambit.

As you can read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackm... Wikipedia confirms my opinion that the Leisebein-Variation refutes the BDG: "However, after Peter Leisebein's 9...Nc6 10.Qh4 Bg4!, it is doubtful if White obtains enough compensation for the pawn against accurate play."

You can read some extensively annotated analysis here: DcGentle chessforum

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Jan-21-14
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  FSR: <Skewbrow> Woops, you're right. Embarrassment city - I wrote 15...cxd5, but thought 15...exd5.

Your <13...Qb6> is a good try, then. Instead of 14.Nxh8, White should play <14.Rxf3!> (this is stronger here than it is against 13...Qc7, since Black's queen isn't on the second rank to defend the bishop on e7) <Kxf7 15.Qxe6+ Ke8 16.Re3!> and Black has no good way to defend the bishop, e.g. 16...Nd5? 17.Bxd5 or 16...Qd8? 17.Qf7#. That leaves only the abject <16...Ng8>, when <17.Qf7+ Kd8 18.Re6!> leaves Black with no good answer to the threat of 19.Qxg7 Bf6 20.Rxf6.

Jan-21-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: <FSR>

Ack. You're right. I was being careless.

Fortunately, I think there's a fix to my line:

13.Nxf7 Qc7
14.Rxf3 Kxf7
15.Qxe6+ Ke8
16.Bf4 (Q moves, and not to d8)
17 Bd6

The alternative

16 ... Ne5
17 Bxe5 Qd7
18 Qf7+ Kd8
19 Be6

destroys Black (the queen is lost), while other queen moves at 17 allow quick mates.

Jan-21-14  Mojodomo: <solskytz>: I had the same problem and tried what <TheTamale> suggested. pgn4web, the default viewer, worked with the java update, while the fancier viewers were blocked. Thanks Tamale!
Jan-21-14  PJs Studio: Cheapo nailed it. Nxf7 is a game wrecker. All i can add; when faced with this in a game - do NOT play 13...Kf7. It's a simple mate. Move your queen or resign.
Jan-21-14
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Jan-21-14  WoodPushkin: Greetings

13.Nxf7!

Certainly resignable but far from over. Good end game study.

Analysis, Calculation, Execution: Study!!

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Jan-21-14
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  scutigera: Never accept a gambit from the guy it's named after.
Jan-21-14  BOSTER: The< negative capability> was the only goal when the Bishop changed one hotel after another : c8 ,f5 ,g6 ,h5 ,f3 , and finally left his harbour in a hurry , when poor pawns f7 and e6 had no protection.
Jan-21-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: How can you name something the "Gedult Gambit" and then have a game that ends on Move 13? Doesn't sound like it took a lot of patience to me! :)
Jan-21-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: <scutigera> Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 begs to differ. :)
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Jan-21-14  Mr Bigz: Nothing to fear for white. His pieces are off the bank rank and coordinated. Nxf7 burns the house down.
Jan-22-14  Nullifidian: 13. ♘xf7 forks the queen and rook.
Jan-23-14
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  kevin86: The knight fork-sac wins this one in a hurry!
Jan-23-14
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  scutigera: <Cheapo>: Licet Jovi, non licet bovi, or as Lasker put it, "When a strong master thinks for forty-five minutes and then plays a piece where I can take it, I leave it alone." If you have the guts for "the way to refute a gambit is to accept it", though, you do earn a lot more glory. If only there were a column for glory in the crosstables...
Jan-28-14  solskytz: Thank you, <TheTamale>. This solved the problem!!
Jan-02-15  GoldenBird: Eww blackmar diemer gambit
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