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Vasily Smyslov vs Alexander Kazimirovich Tolush
Central Chess Club International (1961), Moscow URS, rd 8, Jun-??
Indian Game: Anti-Nimzo-Indian (E10)  ·  1-0

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Mar-24-12  viking78: <Alien Math> thanks a lot
Mar-24-12  sevenseaman: <LoveThatJoker> Its game #33418 on Chess Tempo. The puzzle is extracted from an actual game. Which one? That information is given only to 'Gold Members'.

CT say their computer (Toga) sometimes tweaks the puzzle a little in order to adapt these to better suit the tactics training aimed at.

This game ended in a draw. Here is the part score how it was played.

( 1. Rxc7 Nd6 2. Bh6 Bg7 3. Bxg7+ Kxg7 4. Bxg6+ Kf6 5. Bxh7 Ne8 6. Rc5 Ke6 7. Bd3 Kd7 8. f4 Kd6 9. Rc8 Kd7 ) *

Mar-24-12  LoveThatJoker: <sevenseaman> I appreciate you getting back to me on this.

Sincerely,

LTJ

Mar-24-12  viking78: LTJ, I downloaded some books from the net, and some of them are that old it seems that they have the old notation method with which I was not familiar but I guess I will used to it so I can enjoy those books. Cheers and appreciate the help you offered.
Mar-24-12  James D Flynn: 17.Bb8 wins the exchange and the Black back rank weakness wll force further simplification. Black cannot allow White to play Qxa8 hoping the exploit the pin by Bd6 because White could simply play Bxd6 and after Qxa8 then Rb8+ would win the Q for a R remaining a piece up. 17.Bb8 Rxb8 18.Qxb8 g6 19.Qxd8+ Rxd8 20.Rd1 Rc8 21.Rd7 Bc5 22.Rb7 Rf8 and with the Black R tied to the defense of f7 the White K can place his K side pawns on e4 f3 and advance his K to support the a pawn and sacrifice the exchange to eliminate the Black a pawn, His passed pawn supported by the K and R win the win. Now for the game.
Mar-24-12  Patriot: Material is even.

The only thing I see is 17.Bb8, threatening to snap off the rook. 17.Qxa8 Qxa8 18.Rb8+ Qxb8 19.Bxb8 looks at least . So 17.Bb8 Rxb8 18.Qxb8 Qxb8 19.Rxb8+ Bf8 at least wins the exchange . And 17...Qd5 18.Qxe7 looks clear.

I'm not sure what else black can do here?

Mar-24-12  LoveThatJoker: <viking78> Cool, man! Swing by my forum sometime and talk chess.

LTJ

Mar-24-12
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  playground player: <viking78> Under the old notation system, every square on the board had two names instead of one. So e4 would be "King 4 (K4)" for White and "King 5 (K5)" for Black. The back rank, for White, would read QR (Queen's Rook), QN, QB, Q, K, KB, KN, KR. You can figure out the rest. A move like a3 would read "P-QR3."
Mar-24-12  nummerzwei: In a world where people focus their attention on down-to-earth, practical tactics, this would be a Monday puzzle.
Mar-24-12  erniecohen: Way, way too easy for a Saturday.
Mar-24-12  Memethecat: 1st idea was Qxa8 Qxa8 then scewer with R, but it only equalises & offers no advantege I can see.

All I can see is:

17Bb8 Rxb8 (17...Rb4 18Qxa8 Rxb1 19Rxb1) 18Qxb8 Qxb8 19Rxb8+ & whites up the exchange.

*********

Looks good.

Mar-24-12
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  kevin86: Strange Saturday puzzle! I saw this one from the start Bb8-seals off the rook-black must forfeit rook for bishop.
Mar-24-12  viking78: <playground player> thanks for the help, it's harder then the algebric notation, but when the method is understood I guess it's a matter of time to used to it, so I will practice some games.
Mar-24-12  BOSTER: <alwazir> <This puzzle apparently wasn't very difficult in 2004, it hasn't gotten harder since then>, but it hasn't gotten easier since then neither.

For me ,when solution to Saturday <POTD> as usual a long ,timid line this shot was not expected.

When you are getting accustomed to something, it is not easy to see the real picture. I'd come to Bb8 only after 17.Qxa8 Qxa8 18.Rb8+ Qxb8 19.Bxb8 and have not too much.

I want to add this: among many,many <CG Puzzles> which I can't recognize as <Puzzle>,this is a real <Puzzle> considering the time when it came(for me).

Mar-24-12
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  Penguincw: I was thinking of 17.Qxa8 Qxa8 18.Rb8+ Rd8 19.Rxa8 Qxa8 20.Rb1, but in this case, it would be too drawish.


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Mar-24-12  alshatranji: Why is this called "Anti-Nimzo-Indian"? It looks like Catalan to me. I thought Bb4 is the definitive move in the Nimzo-indian.
Mar-24-12  SimonWebbsTiger: @<viking78>

some of us were lucky to grow up with English descriptive and so it's a doddle. :o)

Definitely worth learning because there are many classic e.g. Batsford titles which are out of print but can be bought on the cheap from 2nd hand stores.

I think Ray Keene was one of the people who made a campaign for, what he called the more logical, algebraic in Britain in the 1970s which then became standard in all magazines and books from the 1980s. Of course, it is now a FIDE rule that games must be scored in algebraic. (Someone who famously scribbled down the game score in descriptive notation was Bobby Fischer.)

Historically Petroff and Jaenisch were using the algebraic system in 1800s Russia.

Mar-24-12
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  Once: <alshatranji: Why is this called "Anti-Nimzo-Indian"?>

Because white delays Nc3. That means that black can't play Bb4 to pin that knight.

The key move is white's 3. Nf3


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White leaves the Nb1 at home for the time being to take black out of his opening preparation.

Now, 3...Bb4+ would be a Bogo-indian and 3...b6 would be a queens indian, but black chose to strike back in the centre with d5 instead.

There are lots of transpositional possibilities which mean that it is difficult to be precise about the naming of openings. This game could also be called a Queens Gambit, a Tarrasch or, as you rightly say, a Catalan. CG have chosen to call it an anti nimzo, which is a little unusual but reasonably accurate.

I have never worked out if these opening classifications in the CG database are put there by humans or by some computer system.

Mar-24-12  mikmik777: White to play: 17.?
Smyslov vs Tolush
"Very Difficult"

Material is even. White has firm control on the b-file, while Black exerts pressure on the d-file.

There seems to be nothing in:

17.Qxa8 Qxa8
18.Rb8+ Qxb8
19.Bxb8 (19. ...a5, 19. ...Ra4, or 19. ...Rd2)

I also can't see any advantages for White in:

17.Rfc1 Bd6
18.Bxd6 Rxd6
19.Rc7 Rd1+
20.Rxd1 Qxd1+
21.Kg2 Rf8
22.Qxa7 Qxe2

So I think the best move is:

17.Bb8 [removing the guard of the a8 rook]
17. ...Rxb8
18.Qxb8 [White has won the "Exchange"]

Time to check...

Mar-24-12  Marmot PFL: Smells like home cooking.
Mar-24-12
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  Oxspawn: <Viking78> In the summer of 1972 I was young, carefree and on holiday in France with a bunch of friends. I was desperate to follow the Spassky Fischer match being played in Reykjavic. Every day I went to the local town square (Riberac) and bought Le Monde. To my horror they used the algebraic notation. I was brought up on the other one, P-K4 etc (?descriptive?) and really struggled to understand what was going on. I think that the French in those days had a couple of differences (F for bishop, I think). It was a learning curve in more ways than one. I was backing Spassky as Fischer seemed to me to represent everything I hated politically. So I learned algebraic notation the hard way and also learned to accept the pain of losing. But youth, coffee, the swifts wheeling overhead, bad French and chess - it was bliss to be alive. As for today's game - I lost the plot completely.
Mar-24-12
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  Once: <viking78> The old descriptive notation is pretty simple when you get used to it. The format is <name of the piece>-<name of the square>.

So B-KN5 is bishop to king's knight 5, which we would know as Bg5.

Captures are <name of capturing piece> x <name of captured piece>.

So PxP is pawn takes pawn, and BxKt or BxN is bishop takes knight.

Things get a little complicated if more than one piece can do something. Take this example:


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In this position, white played 3. N(b)-d2. Because both knights can get to d2, in descriptive this would be written as 3. QN-Q2. In other words, Queen's knight to queen 2.

This can get confusing later in the game when you have to remember which knight is the king's knight and which is the queen's knight, and the same with the rooks.

In this position ...


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If white played 4. cd (also writted as cxd5), the descriptive would be 4. BPxP. And 3. dc would be 4. QPxP.

And to get really silly, in this position...


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5. cb would have to be written as QBPxNP. In other words, Queens bishop pawn x knight pawn.

Because there are several pawn captures, we can't simply say 4. PxP. That would be ambiguous.

And because both bishop pawns can capture a pawn, we can't say 4. BPxP.

And because the queens bishop pawn can capture two pawns, we can't just say 4. QBPxP. Hence 4. QBPxNP.

I think that's why descriptive died out! But if you can understand all that you can read just about any chess book.

Unless you go even further back to the days of Staunton when it was even weirder. But I'll leave that for another time. Your head is probably swimming with all of this stuff anyway. Of course, this QBPxNP stuff is very rare. Most of the time it's much much easier to follow.

Mar-24-12  alshatranji: Once: <alshatranji: Why is this called "Anti-Nimzo-Indian"?> Because white delays Nc3. That means that black can't play Bb4 to pin that knight.

Thank you for the explanation. But I find it strange to call the opening after a line that did not even happen. I still insist that Bb4 is the Nimzo-Indian.

Mar-24-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <Oxspawn> I had a similar experience only a few hours ago. I managed to prise the best boy in the world away from his laptop and we walked down the hill into Godalming. The sun was shining, the squirrels were cavorting and he is (thankfully) still too young to be interested in the skimpy fwocks that the girls of the town were sporting.

Hiding in church street is a new chess and games shop, where I parted with some earth pounds in return for an endgame DVD in the vain hope that I could buy some ratings points.

Playing on the TV was a recording of game 2 of Spassky-Fischer from 1972. We paused for a while as I explained how Fischer didn't show up and lost the game by default. I could tell that his heart wasn't really in it, but for a brief second or two we shared a precious father-son moment.

From there, via a discussion of Von Bardeleben to a Nero where we shared a cheescake. He read New Scientist and told me (with much more excitement and interest) that they hadn't actually found a particle that could travel faster than the speed of light. It was a calculation error. Einstein is still right.

For an eleven year old science geek, that sort of stuff is far more exciting than Spassky-Fischer 1972. Mind you, we did have an interesting discussion about whether the Millenniun Falcon could have beaten the Enterpise D in a drag race...

Mar-24-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <alshatranji> It's a nimzo indian if white plays Nc3 and black pins that knight with Bb4.

But many white players don't like to face the nimzo-indian. So they play a move order that makes it impossible. That's why it's called an "anti nimzo indian" - a system designed to prevent the nimzo from happening.

There's a similar name in the Ruy Lopez. Frank Marshall invented the Marshall gambit where black offers up a pawn in order to get an attack. He famously saved up this opening for years until he got a chance to spring it on capablanca. Capa saw the attack, decided he was honour-bound to walk into it, and managed to defend and win.

But the Marshall is still going strong. Subsequent analysis has found better moves for black. So many white players choose to sidestep it with "anti-Marshall" systems - variations that don't allow black to get into the Marshall attack that he is thoroughly booked for.

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