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Joshua Waitzkin vs Grigory Serper
Chicago (1998), ?, rd 5, May-24
Sicilian Defense: Richter-Rauzer. Neo-Modern Variation Early deviations (B62)  ·  1-0



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Dec-24-04  Knight13: <Joshua Waitzkin> Did you know that you have beat a GM in a brutal way?
Apr-21-05  Capthahn86: Serper should be more careful next time of the poison pawn!
Jan-11-06  prinsallan: Many gratz Josh. My tutor from the ChessmasterX tutorial.
Mar-27-06  DarkShadow1: I am totally new to Chess and I don't see how Waitzkin won here. If someone would please be kind enough to explain it would be very helpful in my analysis! I don't even see black in check on that last move (42. Qd8).
Mar-27-06  whiskeyrebel: white is threatening Ra8..pinning the Queen. The King has no escape squares or any other productive moves I can see. Once white exchanges his Rook for the Queen it'll be a simple mop-up win. I hope this helps.
Mar-27-06  DarkShadow1: I see b6, blocking the queen's guard on a5 and also freeing the bishop to take the Rook if white does play Ra8, instead of having to use the queen.
Mar-27-06  noendgame: If 42...b6, 43.c8xc6
Mar-27-06  DarkShadow1: What I would like to know is why the game ended there. Did Serper just quit when he saw he was in this horrible position? The game could have honorably been continued to checkmate...
Mar-27-06  HannibalSchlecter: <DarkShadow1> It is customary amongst strong players to resign when the position is hopeless (with plenty of time on the clock of course). Amongst beginners it's wise to never give up but with strong players it would actually be considered an insult and a waste of time to make the opponent play until checkmate.

Mar-27-06  Jim Bartle: "Amongst beginners it's wise to never give up but with strong players it would actually be considered an insult and a waste of time to make the opponent play until checkmate."

I agree, but a lot of people here don't, as expressed on the pages of Kelly Cottrell's games.

Mar-27-06  BeautyInChess: There is a neat trap here on move 9 ... ♘xd4 10. ♕xd4 e5 11. ♗xe5! I was wondering why white would allow the pawn fork. The above is why.
Mar-27-06  HannibalSchlecter: <Jim Bartle> I checked out the pages of Kelly Cottrell's games. Pretty funny arguments. I saw a chess player who came up against such a person who refused to resign a hopeless position in a tournament game and instead of mating the poor soul, he opted to promote his pawns obtaining some extra queens, extra knights, and extra bishops, and slowly tortured his king before mating him. Perhaps if Kelly Cottrell's opponents started to do the same it might break her of that obnoxious habit.
Mar-27-06  Jim Bartle: Hannibal: I saw a game where the winning player did the same, then returned all the pieces to their original positions on the first rank, while the opponent had something like two pieces and three pawns.
Mar-27-06  azaris: The two sides of this resignation debate never seem to meet. One side is talking about not resigning when you're down a couple of pawns or a minor piece, the other side is talking about not resigning when down a rook, two minor pieces, and four pawns with a lone king.

I've actually drawn a game where I was up four connected passed pawns and another one two minor pieces up but without pawns, both with correspondence time controls. Then again I also once came back from mate in two that my opponent missed to win my opponent's rook, queen, and the game. Sometimes wonderful things can be accomplished.

Mar-27-06  HannibalSchlecter: My personal rule of thumb is to exhaust all reasonable possiblities before resigning. If there is still hope in the position, I say play on of course. To my knowledge there is no Grandmaster that plays on until mate as a habit. Exceptions: Opponent is in time trouble, or opponent has just made a nice combination and for poetic justice allowing him to finish it off with a mate.
May-10-06  Timothy Glenn Forney: <Jim Bartle>I saw GM Kamsky do the same thing on ICC,against Shredder.He promoted all his pawns to the orignal pieces and put them back in the starting position.I also saw GM Nakamura play a game on ICC against shredder and he got a mate with six Knights from promoted pawns.The games should get posted here they are one of a kind,but very long.
Jan-25-07  glennfunk: Good eye BeautyInChess! I was pondering that myself. 21 Nb5! I thought was a cute sac. offer btw.
May-20-09  valpolaw: could serper have saved the game had he chosen to move his queen to b7 on move 30?

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