Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Alexander Grischuk vs Evgeny Bareev
Russian Championship Superfinal (2004), Moscow RUS, rd 9, Nov-25
Caro-Kann Defense: Panov Attack. Modern Defense (B13)  ·  1-0



explore this opening
find similar games 20 more Grischuk/Bareev games
sac: 13.fxe5 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: Some games have photographs. These are denoted in the game list with the icon.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
Nov-25-04  jeffnool: what if 16...Ke8? is it as draw?
Nov-25-04  flamboyant: thats what i was wondering too
maybe a pro would explain to us :)
Nov-25-04  DevastatioN: Well, the position WOULD be identical as 2 moves before if Ke8, so if the threat wasn't there in the first place it won't be there the second time :)
Nov-26-04  tacticsjokerxxx: well since the same position has to occur three times, then it's not a draw until 16.-♔e8 17.♖e1+ - ♔d7 18.♖d1+ - ♔e8 19.Te1+

but since white is up a ♘ for a ♙, then white should play something like 19.♗xf7+ instead, clearly winning.

Dec-10-04  themindset: <DevastatioN> the position would *not* be identical if Ke8. black would have lost the option to castle. and that is considered a critical difference under the rules of chess.
Dec-11-04  euripides: <themindset> Interesting point about the rules that I didn't know and have just checked on the FIDE site. Indeed; for a position to be repeated the possible moves of all pieces have to be the same, which means that after 16...Ke8 17 Re1+ Kd7 18 Rd1+ Ke8 19 Re1+ a draw cannot be claimed because the king has more possible moves on the first occurrence of the position.
May-29-07  Whitehat1963: What is best play after 13. Bb5+? I'm thinking 13...Bb6 14. Bxb6+ bxb6 15. fxe5. But then what? <Crafty>? Fritz? Junior? Rybka? Somebody?

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
caro kan defense panov attack
by caracas1970
KKW23 C-K Panov-Botivinnik attack, 5...Nc6 6. Bg5 dxc4 7. Bxc4
from Reps up for Election in the House by fredthebear
Game 70 in The Greatest Ever Chess Strategies by Sam Collins
from Oh Snap! said Fredthebear. by fredthebear
Game 46
from Champions -New Millennium (Ftacnik/Kopec/Browne) by Qindarka
Russian Championship 2004, Moscow
from # Greatest Tournaments 2004 by Qindarka
Game 70
from Greatest Strategies (Collins) by isfsam
Caro-Kann, Panov-Botivinnik attack, 5...Nc6 6. Bg5 dxc4 7. Bxc4
from The Ultimate Repetoire(3) by KKW

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC