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Wagner vs Zdzislaw Hermanowicz
POL corr (1933) (correspondence), ?
Polish Opening: King's Indian Variation (A00)  ·  0-1

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Jan-22-14
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  FSR: <Dezaxa> I think you're right.
Jan-22-14  gars: I write in the hope any of you had the same problem: recently I received a message from www.chessgames.com that I had to update the Java program. I followed the instructions and now I can see no more games nor puzzle solutions. Since I have another computer at home I used it to check yesterday's POTD and just after that there was the same message, urging me to update my Java. I did it and well ... you guessed it all! Two computers, no games nor puzzles. I wrote Java yesterday but, up to now, no answer from them.

What the hell is going on? I know I am a complete "computer jerk" but I think I am quite able to follow written instructions.

Please avoid comments in "computer jargon". Thanks a lot.

Jan-22-14  erniecohen: <FSR> After 37...♕xh3 38. ♗xd6+ ♔b7 39. ♗xh3, simpler for Black is 39...♖xh3 40. ♕h2 ♗f4+ 41. ♔f2 ♗h2 and White can resign.
Jan-22-14  leo.bulero: @erniecon: change your PGN viewer to pgn4web (it's right under your chess board, where you can change between different PNG viewers). It's ugly, but at least you can see games (I have a similar problem at one of my computers, although I updated Java it doesn't work as it used to...). I hope it will help.
Jan-22-14  landogriffin: <gars> - can you still see the little 'PGN Viewer' box which has a drop-down menu of the different ways you can view the games? If so, try 'pgn4web' - I can't get any of the other ones to work, but this one works for me!
Jan-22-14  landogriffin: Quickest solve of the week for me so far, but I suppose there is the complication of whether to play 38...Qxh3 or 38...Rxg4, which requires some care!
Jan-22-14  TheaN: Wednesday 22 January 2014

<37....?>

I actually join the <37....Qxh3> crowd on this one. Looking back at it, 37....Be3 seems more clean as it does not allow the white queen to become remotely involved at all, now chances are she might.

I depicted <38.Bxh3 Be3+!> where only <39.Kh2> doesn't lead to immediate mate by RxB. After <39....Bf4+> 40.Kh1 Rxh1+ 41.Qh2 Rxh2# 0-1 is over as well, after <40.Qg3 Rxg3> and white can't escape mate.

However, I guess what makes 37....Qxh3 so questionable is the spite check <38.Rfc1+ Kb7>; this does not necessarily change much from 37....Be3, but how does black finish up after <39.Bxh3>?

Black still has initiative but a queen and piece down, and white has an escape square on f1. I think <39....Rxh3> is extremely risky but black's only try. The threat is 40....Be3+ 41.Kf1 Rh1+ 42.Qg1 Rhxg1#.

White may not move the queen from e3-g1 as it creates a double check with Be3 and then immediately Rh1 mate. Because of that just giving up the queen is not that easy, for example 40.Qxf3 does not change the threat: 40....Be3+ 41.Kf1 Rxf3+ 42.Ke1 Rg1#.

I think Rxh3 wins, but next time I, and anyone who played it, should try to avoid the complications.

Jan-22-14  paulofx2071: in the final potition, if 40) hxg4, Qh2+, 41)Kf1! and?
Jan-22-14  TheaN: Hm. <FSR>, what am I missing after <37....Qxh3 38.Bxd6+ Kb7 39.Bxh3 Rxh3>, instead of Be3+? It is similar to what I played in my previous analysis.


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Jan-22-14  Sideways: White should have stuck to writing operas! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1...
Jan-22-14  mel gibson: I saw that in under 5 seconds.
What an easy puzzle.
Jan-22-14  gofer: <37 ... Be3>

Black really wants white to "roll over and play dead" with...

38 Qxe3 Rxg4+ (39 hxg4 Qh2# or 39 Kh1/Kh2 Qxh3#) 39 Kf2 Qh4+ 40 Kxf3 Qg3#

But black shouldn't, go so easily...

<38 Rfc1+ Kb7>
<39 Rc7+? ...>

Hoping for 39 ... Qxc7 but not likely to get it!

<39 ... Kxc7>

At this point white can resign as there is no hope or white can throw in some spite checks...

40 Rc1+ Kb7
41 Rc7+ Kxc7
42 Bxd6+ Kxd6
43 Qxe3 ...

and then resign.

~~~

Yep...

Jan-22-14
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  Penguincw: I was thinking of 37...Qxh3 38.Bxh3 Bf4+ 39.Kh1 Rxh3+ 40.Qh2 Rxh2# 0-1.
Jan-22-14
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  FSR: <TheaN> That line also wins for Black. As <erniecohen> indicated, White has nothing better than 40.Qh2 Bf4+ 41.Kf2 Bxh2, when Black wins easily with his three connected passed pawns.
Jan-22-14  TheaN: <FSR, erniecohen> Whoops, missed that earlier post (guess it's due to the symbols, I tend to skim them too quick). Guess the underlying ideas of 37....Qxh3 do win after all, albeit being a tad bit more complex than Be3. I do have to admit that I've missed the idea of Qh2! after the queen sac, blocking h1. It wins, but only because the queen comes back with sufficient interest.
Jan-22-14
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  Bobby Spassky: Dear gars,

" write in the hope any of you had the same problem: recently I received a message from www.chessgames.com that I had to update the Java program. I followed the instructions and now I can see no more games nor puzzle solutions. Since I have another computer at home I used it to check yesterday's POTD and just after that there was the same message, urging me to update my Java. I did it and well ... you guessed it all! Two computers, no games nor puzzles. I wrote Java yesterday but, up to now, no answer from them.

What the hell is going on? I know I am a complete "computer jerk" but I think I am quite able to follow written instructions.

Please avoid comments in "computer jargon". Thanks a lot."

The plugin you want is Java. The trouble is software engineers didn't think about security a lot until recently. Therefore the program is designed to do more than it should. Thus hackers can use Java to gain access to your computer. That is why it is blocked. What you want is either the Chrome browser or the Opera browser.

I have a Mac and the Mac browser Safari is now useless for this site. However Chrome and Opera work fine. Just google Chrome or Opera and down load them.

Jan-22-14  goodevans: <paulofx2071: in the final potition, if 40) hxg4, Qh2+, 41)Kf1! and?>

Try 40...Qh1+ instead.

Jan-22-14  gars: <BobbySpassy, landogriffin, leo.bulero> many thanks for your help. I'll try all your suggestions as soon as possible.
Jan-22-14  MiCrooks: I went with Qxh3 as well which clearly wins with the idea of Be3+ after Bxh3. Be3 immediately wins as well, though I am not sure the lines are any clearer. I guess they are if you see how devastating Rxg4+ is, but with Qxh3 the lines are all at least as clear.

Funny thing is that this line starts with a dubious sac at move 30. Now maybe Nxe4 does ultimately win, but how much cleaner, especially for a correspondence game is a move like Rh3? What is White to do? Rdh8 is coming and the pawn and King hiding behind it are sitting ducks. One possible line is Qg1 (how else do you defend it?) Rdh8 Rf2 Rxh2+ Qxh2 Rxh2 Kxh2 Bh4 threatening the Rook. White is in a clear, clean world of hurt with no counter chances what-so-ever. Now White must rush to remove the Knight before it can sack itself as otherwise the three passed pawns come rolling down supported by the Queen.

There appear to have been some potential defenses to the early Knight sack. Black probably still has the advantage, but nothing as clear and clean as in Rh3.

Jan-22-14  savuflorin1983: <Bobby Spassky> Even if you don't see the actual board, you should have somewhere underneath the players' names an option labelled "PGN Viewer:", where you can select from the list which viewer should the site use for displaying the board. I now use "pgn4web", which doesn't need Java to work. I know this is a temporary solution, but it has worked just fine for me for some months. Hope everything is clear. Good luck!
Jan-22-14  King Sacrificer: <gars> Find Java Settings in your computer by the help of Google and decrease the security level to the lowest.
Jan-22-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <savuflorin1983: ... I now use "pgn4web", which doesn't need Java to work. I know this is a temporary solution, but it has worked just fine for me for some months. Hope everything is clear. Good luck!>

I got switched to this PGN Viewer without doing anything, for "security" reasons.

I don't like it because it makes the board too big and puts the moves underneath, instead of on the side.

Jan-22-14
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  thegoodanarchist: Just switched back to chess viewer deluxe - love the appearance.
Jan-22-14
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  thegoodanarchist: <Bobby Spassky: ...

I have a Mac and the Mac browser Safari is now useless for this site. However Chrome and Opera work fine. Just google Chrome or Opera and down load them>

Have you tried Firefox's browser?

Jan-22-14  ajile: <goodevans: <paulofx2071: in the final potition, if 40) hxg4, Qh2+, 41)Kf1! and?>

Try 40...Qh1+ instead.>

or

40.hxg4 Qh2+ 41.Kf1 Qg2+ 42.Ke1 Rh1+

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