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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
"Krammed in a Corner" (game of the day Dec-06-2009)
Corus Group A (2005), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 2, Jan-16
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen Variation. English Attack (B80)  ·  0-1



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Dec-09-05  KingG: <acirce> Well, that is one of the few classy comments i've heard from Topalov on Kramnik. Do you know what the date of the article is? I'm curious to know whether he made this comment before or after he became FIDE world champion.
Dec-09-05  acirce: Before, it was soon after Corus.

An implicit part of my point was exactly how he changed in this regard the moment he became World Champion. But I liked the pre-San Luis Topalov a lot.

Dec-09-05  KingG: <Before, it was soon after Corus.> I thought so. I don't understand why he feels the need to behave like a jerk just because he's had a bit of success recently.
Dec-09-05  notyetagm: <KingG: ... I don't understand why he feels the need to behave like a jerk just because he's had a bit of success recently.>

This proves that Topalov is the true successor of Kasparov. :-)

Dec-09-05  Conde de Montecristo: Kramnik crushed in 20 moves, against a opening in wich kramnik himself hs made truly disasters, this is definetely the way that champions dont play.
Dec-09-05  Akavall: I find it amazing how Topalov went from one of the nicest GMs to one of the jerkiest, after winning one tournament!

Dec-10-05  notyetagm: <Akavall> One tournament? Have you been in a coma during Topalov's ascension to the #1 active player position? That takes a lot more than "winning one tournament".
Dec-10-05  Akavall: <notyetagm> Has Topalov been getting jerkier and jerkier gradually? I don't think so, the climax happened after San Luis and it was a very rapid change.
Dec-10-05  Conde de Montecristo: <Akavall> After winning Linares and Mtel.
Dec-10-05  Akavall: Has he? Can you give links to his interviews from that period?
Dec-10-05  Akavall: This is interview is not very detailed, but by no means Topalov is being a jerk. And it is right before San Luis.

Dec-10-05  azaris: Oh please, that's not an interview. They could ask the same dull-as-dishwater questions from Bobby Fischer or Charles Manson and make them seem like pleasant chaps.
Dec-10-05  Akavall: How about you guys present an interview where Topalov is a jerk, before San Luis.
Dec-12-05  Conde de Montecristo: Crushed in 20 moves!!!!!!!

This is definetely the way a "champion" dont play

Dec-12-05  HannibalSchlecter: I don't know if Topo is a "jerk" but I didn't like it when after winning the FIDE championship he said he would not play a unification match with Kramnik because Kramnik was not in his league, citing that Kramnik was 60 rating points below him. Not a classy move. Put your title on the line man and prove you're the best!
Dec-12-05  Steppenwolf: Kramnik plays like a B group beginner in this game. Queen nearly lost on a3, pawn structure demolished by move 18, piece lost at the end, all that in 20 moves. Kramnik obviously not in the same league as Topalov! Kramnik's "title" has become a joke, a fraud, the laughing stock of all masters.
Dec-12-05  ughaibu: The way these characters carry on you'd think it was some kind of rarity. Ignorance is bliss, get stoned on Kramnik bashing. Game Collection: World champions lose miniatures 1. Game Collection: World champions lose miniatures 2.
Dec-12-05  Steppenwolf: How, a kramnik lover! Must feel loneley these days.
Dec-12-05  Akavall: <ughaibu> In two out of your three Morphy games, Morphy was giving material odds! And he was not a World Champion, at least official.
Dec-12-05  Akavall: I agree though, every World Champion, had lost miniature.

Christiansen vs Karpov, 1993
Huzman vs Kasparov, 2003

Are shining examples.

Dec-12-05  Akavall: *cringes*, Neither Karpov, nor Kasparov were WCs in those games.

Karpov vs Garriga, 1976
Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997

Dec-12-05  notyetagm: <ughaibu: ... Ignorance is bliss, get stoned on Kramnik bashing.>

My favorite high.

Dec-14-05  s4life: <acirce: Before, it was soon after Corus.

An implicit part of my point was exactly how he changed in this regard the moment he became World Champion. But I liked the pre-San Luis Topalov a lot.>

It's all politics heheh. I am sure if you became champion you'd end up being a d#$k too, as opossed to a schmuk (which is how champion d@#ks refer to everybody else).

Dec-20-05  itz2000: 12 Qxb4 is defently a mistake in my opinion for white..

I might be wrong though.

Jan-01-06  THE pawn: <akavall><morphy gave odds> it doesn't matter, take a look at the first one, he took off the board a rook, but even if he had it, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference, he lost fair and square if you ask me.
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