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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
"Krammed in a Corner" (game of the day Dec-06-2009)
Corus Group A (2005), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 2, Jan-16
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen Variation. English Attack (B80)  ·  0-1



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Jan-16-05  Backward Development: Very interesting game! surely this one is important to Kramnik and his supporters, but it is also a very theoretically important game. after...Nbd7 black has a superb position. White's 10.Na4 is usually met by ...d5 where the game becomes rather complex, but ...Nbd7! is a very interesting move. Now, the 'true' TN apparently comes in at ...Ne5! and Kramnik takes the bait! after Qxb4, I would prefer black's position. He has threats in the center, and further threatsdown the open lanes on the Queenside, but Kramnik doesn't even give Topalov the chance to exercise his threats, he collapses! I am uninformed on Kramnik's health, but this last game does not look good for him. No, not good at all. He doesn't even seem as if he's playing here.
Jan-16-05  notyetagm: Kramnik supporters are so full of BS. <I didn't hear any talk of Kramnik's "illness" when he brilliantly beat Leko in the final game of the match.> But when he loses, then his "illness" is the cause. Give me a break.
Jan-16-05  Strategic Joker: <notyetagm> he imidiatly stated after he won the match that he was ill , your comment was rather absurd i guess ...
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  patzer2: I'm neither a Kramnik supporter or detractor, but I do know a hasty generalization when I see one. A single loss in a prepared variation to a very strong GM is not sufficient evidence to draw any valid conclusion about the current state of Kramnik's Chess skills. Topalov won a well played game with a prepared novelty. Whether Kramnik's health contributed to him not finding a refutation over the board is at best speculation and at worse rationalization.
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  me to play: You're right patzer2. I notice quite a bit of ridiculous overreaction and hyperbole at this site when someone wins or loses from day to day. Player "A" wins a game, and he or she is the greatest player ever....the same player loses a game, and then they're washed up. It is amusing.
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  cu8sfan: <morostyle> Writing in CAPS doesn't make your statements more valid...
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: SURE IT DOES! And adding multiple exclamation points makes your arguments IRREFUTABLE!!!!
Jan-17-05  shortsight: If i lose a game even if i'm sick, i'll never say it's because i'm sick, because it shows no respect to someone who's making a great effort defeating me. at least, show some appreciation. if sick is the excuse everytime a game is lose, then everybody can claim that he wins even when he's sick too. so, what's the problem of him losing when he's sick? Tal was sick all along, and his play is still simply superb. shame to anyone who uses sick as an excuse, it's plain coward.
Jan-17-05  DocNZ: I think now 11...Ne5(!N) refutes 10.Na4. and I suspect the mainline will still be 10.Nce2. (I dont have any corr. databases with me; Has 11..Ne5 been played previously there) However, Im still finding it difficult to believe the b-pawn is poisoned. In this postion I think 12.Qxb4 is only move after 11...Ne5. [b3 with the idea Nb2 doesnt work] Clearly 13.Nb3 is wrong and this loses the game without much thought as demonstrated (personally Im not entirely sure of the point of this move.) 13.Bf4 or 13.Nc3 are alternatives for counterplay. Has anyone a good line of analysis without 12.Qxb4
Jan-17-05  Kaspablanca: Morphy was sick, in fact very sick when he beat Anderssen in 1858. Illnes cant be always an excuse of loss, but sometimes influences in a match.In AVRO tournament in 1938 Capablanca was doing a great performance but he got a stroke and you know the rest of the story.
Jan-17-05  SlyTheGoblin: Kramnik is 1.d4 player. He is better at it. So why 1.e4 again this hyper aggressive player? He should switch for the remaining rounds!
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  cu8sfan: Kramnik's feeling ill
and loses in twenty moves
in NN style.

Hope you like it!

Jan-17-05  percyblakeney: <tpstar> will be envious of that one. :-)
Jan-17-05  TylerD: Kramnik beat Topalov in the sicilian in the linares last year. A great win. A single loss in that same opening 6 months later doesn+t mean that K can not handle e4-openings.
Jan-17-05  TylerD: That said though... I said myself that Topalov would shine in this tournemant... bu tto beat the WCH in 20 moves playing black... Simply awesome!
Jan-17-05  acirce: Certainly speculations about Kramnik's health problems should not detract the least from the fact that Topalov once again played an excellent game. Definitely one of the favourites to win it all now. Still think Leko is more likely.
Jan-17-05  joydeepmukherjee: wijk is on fire! we'll r missin shirov dearly!! then it wouls have been 'fire on board'!
Jan-17-05  joydeepmukherjee: guys, where r ur predictions now??? who will win the tournament?
Jan-17-05  joydeepmukherjee: why do they resign so early? losin a piece doesn't mean losin the game! after all, there is a thing called 'stalemate'.!!
Jan-17-05  Resignation Trap: <joydeepmukherjee> At this level, losing a Pawn usually means loss of the game, let alone a whole piece. Playing out in hopelessly lost positions (aka "playing for a stalemate") is generally an indication of a very weak player.

If you like Shirov, he'll be playing in one week: http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.c...

Jan-18-05  checkpat: Is 14 Qa3

1) theoretical
2) a briliant novelty
3) a disatrous blunder


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  IMlday: Poor Vlad seems to have hit a retroactive tank after 11..Ne5. That's where instead of thinking how to save a dismal game one reflects instead backwards: How did I get such a lousy position when all my moves seemed logical? When this happens one just as well may resign immediately since all the following moves will be wrong. Personally I like TN games, especially when they change accepted theory. I call them 'kitchen table variations' since they are cooked up at home. When the opponent goes into the 'retroactive tank' one can just chalk up the point right away, they'll play lousy. In my praxis Bernard Zuckerman, Pal Benko and Jon Mestel all fell into this~~my game sucks so I'll think forever dreaming about what might have been..uh, that doesn't work. Better defence, play fast and loose a la Bent Larsen or Mikhail Tal..yeah, sure, it's lost, but find a move dude.
Jan-18-05  aw1988: <checkpat> None of the above.
Jan-18-05  DocNZ: I suspect <IMlday> is correct. 11...Ne5 is a novelty granted, but Im not convinced it deserves !! Im sure it was difficult to find an over-the-board refutation to a "home-cooked" ...Ne5. I'll wait to see where it is placed in the Chess Informant awards. 11...Ne5 does forces 12.Qxb4 (so as to allow Nc3) resulting in a black initiative on Qside. IMHO 11...Ne5 is less of a brillant move as 13.Nb3 is more of a blunder. It forces the Q to a very weak square (a3), and allows ...Nxf3, opening the center and the Kside like a canopener. I for one will look forward to Topalovs analysis (prob will be in CI) and suspect better for white is 11.Bf4 Rb8 12.Qc3! Ng6 13.Nc6 is good counterplay for white.
Jan-18-05  Backward Development: Gregor Samsa Mendel:
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