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Vladimir Kramnik vs Veselin Topalov
"Krammed in a Corner" (game of the day Dec-06-2009)
Corus Group A (2005), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 2, Jan-16
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen Variation. English Attack (B80)  ·  0-1

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Jan-18-05
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Backward Development>--Thanks for the complement. (I could keep the joke going by responding in all caps and adding lots of exclams, but that would be silly.)
Jan-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Franz Yakovlevich Lefort! Vladimir Lenin! Josef Stalin! Can you hear me!? Acirce can you hear me?!?

Count Grigorii Grigorievich Orlov! Kostya Tszyu!
Prince Charlotte! Vladimir Putin - can you hear me, Vladimir Putin!

YOUR BOY TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING!!

YOUR BOY TOOK ONE HELL OF A BEATING!!!

Jan-25-05  ajile: What about 21.B4 by white?
Jan-29-05  rajalakshmanan: For some reason Kramnik is off colour..but Topalov played a nice game...
Feb-02-05  Hinchliffe: <offramp> As a fellow Englishman I can assure you that your joke was not lost. In fact it cheered me up sufficiently to enable me to call VISA about my long outstanding payments.
Feb-04-05  pawn52: Would 21.b4 have worked, or am I missing something?
Feb-04-05  aw1988: 21. b4 Nxc3 22. Qxc3 Nxb4
Feb-04-05  aw1988: <offramp> OI! [Diagram?]?
Mar-13-05
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  offramp: <Hinchliffe> it is a joke that only Englishmen, Norwegians or - I suppose - Swedes would get. And I see that you qualify on two counts. Wouldn't it be great to hear commentary like that on a chess game?!
May-19-05  guitar2001: in my opinion, kramnik is the legitmate world championship simply because he defeated the strongest chessplayer in the world--Garry Kasparov--in a match. Let's not forget that a Shirov-Kasparov match would've been a massacre. It's a pity that it never took place and that Shirov wasn't compensated, but all the same that has no bearing on Kramnik's win. The title of world champion doesn't belong to an organization--it's belongs to the players. And Kramnik defeated the strongest player in the world--and possibly the strongest player of all times. It's not perfect, but it's the best that can be done with chess world in such disarray. Besides, consider the options of declaring Kramnik illegitimate--namely that you have to declare the FIDE knockout winner the world champion--someone who is clearly not the strongest player in the world.

Like I said, it's not perfect, but it's the best solution for now. Kramnik is champion and I hope he is dethroned soon by someone more colorful.

Jul-19-05  Medusa: A beatifull blunder of the CLOWN CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
Jul-19-05  roni.chessman: <Like I said, it's not perfect, but it's the best solution for now. Kramnik is champion and I hope he is dethroned soon by someone more colorful.>

With his sinking rating, he either has to do amazingly well in his next tourney or lose a championship match (it would be very embrassing for the world champ to drop to say 2710 ELO from subsequently terrible tourneys)

Jul-24-05  Medusa: Topalov DEMOLISHED, SMASHED in 20 moves mr kramnik patzer
Jul-25-05  Rated1930: A shame for kramnik, he played here not as a GM but as 1900 player

i guess i would have played better than him, at least i woud have resisted another 10 or 15 moves

Sep-24-05  Professor X: What a wonderfull game, Kramnik not only made the queen sacrifice, but also those final puns, he played amazing!!!!
Oct-02-05  Athenea: This game has been in my opinion the most beatifull gem of Kramnik in 2005 together with

Anand vs Kramnik, 2005

Oct-14-05  ConfusedPatzer: Poor Krammy tried to get sharp and got creamed.
Oct-14-05  ConfusedPatzer: Poor guy has a lot of pressure on him. Looks like he played the move in the spur of the moment.
Nov-02-05  Unicornio: Kramnik and his famous blunders......
Nov-03-05  DP12: Its true you could have resisted 10-12 more moves probably could have reached this position but would not have realized how busted you are and would have played 10-12 more moves. Still, this really is an awful game from Kramnik. The funniest part is that he repeated the experience against Anand and Topalov in Sofia.
Nov-03-05  KingG: According to this database, this is the first time Kramnik ever lost against the Najdorf. His only other loss against this opening was a few months laster against the same opponent in Sofia. However, Kramnik never tried to take on Kasparov in the Najdorf. Instead he would make an exeption and play 1.d4 instead of his usual(these days) 1.e4.
Nov-04-05  Hesam7: @ patzer2:

It seems that 13. Nb3 was the serious mistake on Kramnik's side. Here is Fruit's evaluation after 12... Bd7:

13. Nc3 Qc7 14. Bf4 d5 15. Bxe5 Qxe5 16. Qa5 Be7 17. Kb1 O-O 18. exd5 Rfb8 19. a3 Nxd5 20. Nxd5 exd5 21. h4 Bd8 22. Qc5 Be7 (eval : +0.40)

Depth: 18
3820M nodes
620K nodes/sec

Some comments (using Fruit of course) about the line given by you: (I did not delve into the arising positions that much so I am not claiming they are necessarily better)

<13. Nc3!? Rb8 14. Qa3 d5 15. Qxa6 Ra8 16. Qe2 dxe4 17. a3 exf3 18. Nxf3 Nfxg4 19. Nxe5 Nxe5 20. Bg2 Rc8 21. Bd4 Nc4 22. Bd5 Nd6 23. Rhf1 Qg5+ 24. Kb1 >

[1] Instead of 17. a3 Fruit recommends 17. fxe4 and white is almost winning.

[2] Did you consider 20. Rg1 ?

[3] How about 22... Nxa3 ?

Nov-06-05  alexandrovm: <KingG: According to this database, this is the first time Kramnik ever lost against the Najdorf.> really? Interesting to know. I wonder what happend here; how come Kramnik seemed to drop two pawns out of nowhere...and Topa's finale was also as hurtfull as he can get against Vladimir...
Dec-08-05  Conde de Montecristo: I dedicate this game to <danielpi>.
Dec-09-05  acirce: I was impressed by Topalov's classy comment to this game in New In Chess 2005/2: <This was a spectacular win, but I've lost many games to Vladimir in the past and I would have preferred to have better results then than to win only this one game.>
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