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|Jan-16-05|| ||hintza: I have been looking at some possible improvements for Judit, but I don't think she had any winning chances. She may have had drawing chances until quite late. 13...a5!? is a very interesting pawn sacrifice indeed, and it appears to be sound. When watching the game live, 22...b4 was generally expected. This gives a similar position to the actual game after 23.Nd5 Bxd5 24.Qxd5 Qa3 anyway, and I don't think it really improves on Judit's 22...Rfb8. 24...Rc8 another idea but again things seem perfectly satisfactory for white. 29...Ra6 gaining a tempo from the actual game is apparently not much better either, e.g. 30.Qc4 Qe3 (30...Rxa2?! 31.Nxa2 Qxa2+ 32.Kc1 Qa1+ and the king escapes via d2) 31.Rb5 Qxf3 32.Rf1 Qh5 33.Rb7 and black is awkwardly placed. Many people watching live on the ICC were suggesting 31...Rxa4??, which fails to 32.bxa4 Qxa4 33.Nb3! with a winning advantage to white. Another unsuccessful try for black is 32...Rc6 33.Qd2 Rac8 34.c4 and white is fine. 33...Rb6 may improve upon 33...Ra5, e.g. 34.Rxb6 Qxb6 35.Qd5 Ra6 36.Qd2 and white still looks good here. 35...Qa6 36.Qd3 Rxb5 37.Nxb5 Bb6 is worth a try but does not really trouble white. 37...Qc5 looks like a definate improvement over 37...Qf2, 37...Qc5 38.Qxc5 dxc5 with good chances of drawing. 39...Qxf3 looks significantly better than taking the h-pawn as Judit did, although at this point she was in minor time trouble. One line is 39...Qxf3 40.Nf6+ Kh8 41.Rxd6 Qc3 with drawing chances. 42...Qh6 looks like a chance of holding out for longer after 43.Qxe5 Ra8+ 44.Kb1 Qf8. Finally, 43...Qh6 looks like the last chance of holding out for a possible, though admittedly unlikely draw, after for example 44.Qxe5 Qf8 and white looks very strong after 45.Qe7 Re8 46.Rd7! etc. |
|Jan-16-05|| ||actinia: how about 36... Qxa5 with ideas like Ra7-Rc7 and Bd4 for black |
|Jan-17-05|| ||patzer2: I'm impressed with Ponomariov's win. He slowly strangles the position, accumulating small advantages with no perceptible errors. Judit Polgar's play shows no glaring blunders, but her younger opponents strong play slowly steals the advantage and turns the game into a win.|
However, I do have one suggestion. Perhaps 33...Ba5!? instead of exchanging down material at this point would have enabled Judit to hold the position.
Play might continue 33...Ba5!? 34. b4 Bd8 35. Nc3 Kg7 36. Rbd5 Rb6 37. Rxd6 Qc7 38. Qxc7 Rxb4+ 39. Ka1 Bxc7 =
|Jan-17-05|| ||patzer2: After Judit's 37...Qf2?! (better perhaps was 37...Bd2!? or 37...Qb7), Ruslan's double attack with 38. Qc6! gains a clear and perhaps decisive advantage. |
|Jan-17-05|| ||Lawrence: <nimko>, Junior 8 suggests that Judith was OK after Pono's 26th move. Things started to get pretty bad after move 37, and by move 47 she could have resigned. |
|Jan-17-05|| ||arielbekarov: <nimko> You are doing just fine in English ! You don't need any help in your native language.|
We are a lot of non-English speakers here and even native speakers, who
frequently are making spelling mistakes.
<Nimko> there is no reason in the world to excuse yourself for your English. You will learn a lot by writing postings !
And, I see that you have got some great help !
Now, I will take a look, if there really wasn't chances for her.
|Jan-17-05|| ||arielbekarov: See, already a mistake !
It should be <we are a lot of non native speakers in English>
(See my previous message)
Pozdraviam ! (<Nimko> Is it correct ?)
|Jan-17-05|| ||arielbekarov: <Lawrence> Junior 8 is the Israeli one that won the computer contest in Israel in July 2004, right ?|
Are you satisfied ?
If one compares with Fritz ?
Or is it sufficient with one of them ?
I have only seen Fritz and all the other "computerstars" on picture. I don't even have a computer of my own, but hopefully, I will have one in the near future.
I am reluctant concerning these machines, but I find it fascinating as well.
Is it a good idea to have bouth of them ?
Anyone may answer my question.
I would even be happy to get some different answers regarding <Junior 8 and Fritz>
You find it hard to discipline yourself whether to use our own marvellous machine that we are created with first ?
Sometimes, I wonder about my own, but it has its good moments.
I believe firmly that we must do our utmost without the computer aid first, and then consult the artificial intelligence.
Thanks in advance !
|Jan-17-05|| ||Lawrence: <arielbekarov>, yes, Junior was invented by 2 Israelis. <Junior 9> is now on sale. |
No need to have 2 programs, any one of them is absolutely mindblowing.
|Jan-17-05|| ||hintza: <patzer2> I think the critical line after 33...Ba5 34.b4 Bd8 35.Nc3 is 35...a2+ 36.Ka1 Qf2 and black looks fine here. |
|Jan-17-05|| ||zer0: According to Chess Today CT-1532 Pono missed mate with:|
45. ♖d7! ♖f8
46. ♕xf8+! ♔xf8
|Jan-17-05|| ||Ron: <zer0> It is not a forced mate after 45. Rd7. Black does not have to move 45. ... Rf8. She could move Kh7.
But after 45. Rd7 Kh7 it might then go 46. Qxf7+ Kh6 47. Qg7+ Kg5 48. f7
Doesn't seem good for Black either way. |
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: Here is some analysis I have done of this game:
Ponomariov,R (2700) - Polgar,J (2728) Opening:Sicilian Defense,Najdorf
Corus 2005 Wijk aan Zee (2), 16.01.2005
Play in the game began with these moves:
The Sicilian Defense, Judit's favorite response to an opponent who begins
the game with 1.e4.
[ Throughout her career Judit has preferred the move 2...e6 at this stage of
Attacking in the center.
This move usually defines the variation being played:it is known as the
Najdorf variation (named for GM Miguel Najdorf of Argentina).
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: 6.Be3
A move which has become very popular among Grandmasters of late. Now Judit
has to decide whether to continue by chasing the bishop with the move ...Ng4
or not. [ Analysis:The main line continues with 6.Be2: 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7
8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 Be6 10.Qd2 Nbd7 11.a4 Rc8]
The game continued with Polgar playing the move:
Polgar attacks in the center at the cost of giving up a chance to influence
or control the key d5-square in the future with her e-pawn. [ Analysis:
(a)In my database the pawn advance 6...e6 is more popular.; (b)If Judit had
decided to chase the bishop via...Ng4 play might have continued: 6...Ng4
7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Bg3 Bg7 10.Be2 h5 11.Bxg4 Bxg4 12.f3 Bd7 13.Bf2 Nc6
Going back to the moves played in the game, Ponomariov
The main continuation in this position for White.
Judit develops another piece,which influences the key d5-square, preparing
the advance of her d-pawn.
This pawn advance is the main continuation for White in this position,
reinforcing his e-pawn.
Judit develops another minor piece. [ Analysis:In my database the move
8...Be7 is more popular for Black in this position ie: 9.Qd2 0-0 10.0-0-0 b5
11.g4 b4 12.Nd5 Bxd5 13.exd5 a5 14.Kb1 Qc7 15.g5 Nfd7 16.h4 Nb6]
For his next move, Ponomariov moved his queen:
This move is the main continuation in response to Black's last move.He
prepares to castle on the kingside.
The main continuation for Black in this position,preparing to castle on the
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: 10.0-0-0
[ Analysis:Another move is the most popular for White in this position 10.g5
ie. 10.g4 h6 11.0-0-0 b5 12.h4 Nb6 13.Qf2 Nfd7 14.Kb1 Qc7 15.Nd5 Bxd5
16.exd5 Nc4 17.Bc1 Qb6]
The game continued with Judit playing
(Placing the rook on the half-open c-file in order to gain counterplay.In
some circumstances Black will even play an exchange sacrifice on c3 (in
order to reduce the White player's control of key central squares). [ RR:The
move 10...h5 has also been tried here: 10...h5 11.Nd5 Nxd5 12.exd5 Bf5
13.Bd3 Bxd3 14.Qxd3 Bg5 15.Kb1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 0-0 17.h4 Nf6 18.c4 Rc8 19.Qd3
Qd7 20.Rhe1 Rfe8 21.Nd2 b5 22.cxb5 axb5 23.Rc1 g6 24.Ne4 Kg7 25.Rc6
Kasimdzhanov,R-Georgiev,K/Metz 1997/EXT 99/0-1 (53); Analysis:The main
continuation on move 10 for Black is to play 10...O-O ie. 10...0-0 11.g4 b5
12.g5 Nh5 13.Nd5 Bxd5 14.exd5 b4]
Ponomariov now played the move
(which is the most frequently played idea in this position for White.He
threatens to displace her knight via the move g5.)
The main continuation for Black in this position, she frees up te d7-square
for her other knight.
[ RR:Another idea in this position was to polay 11...b5: 11...b5 12.Kb1 Qc7
13.Qf2 h6 14.h4 Bc4 15.Bh3 b4 16.Na4 Bb5 17.Nb6 Rb8 18.Nxd7 Nxd7 19.g5 a5
20.Nc1 Nc5 21.Bf1 hxg5 22.Bxb5+ Rxb5 23.hxg5 Rxh1 24.Rxh1 Ne6 25.Qf1 Qb7
26.Rh8+ Papp,G-Szekeres,R/Budapest 2003/EXT 2004/1-0 (37)]
Returning to the moves played in the game, Ponomariov
He spends a tempo to take his king off the half-open c -file. [
Analysis:Equally as popular in my database is the move 12.h4: 12.h4 0-0 (
12...Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.Kb1 Qc7) 13.Kb1 Qc7]
Judith now decided to castle:
[ RR:Other ideas here include: 12 ..h5 and 12..h6: (a) 12...h5 13.g5 Nfd7
14.g6 fxg6 15.Rg1 Bf7 16.Nd5 Nxd5 17.exd5 Nb6 18.Bh3 Nc4 19.Qd3 Nxe3 20.Qxe3
Rc4 21.Qd3 Rf4 22.Be6 Rh6 23.Nd2 Bxe6 24.dxe6 g5 25.Qd5 Qc8 26.Ne4 Rxe6
27.Rd3 Lendvai Wells,N-Wojtkiewicz,A/Antwerp 1994/EXT 98/0-1 (32); RR: (b)
12...h6 13.h4 Nfd7 14.Be2 Qc7 15.Rh2 h5 16.gxh5 Rxh5 17.f4 Rxh4 18.Rxh4 Bxh4
19.f5 Bc4 20.Rh1 Be7 21.Rh8+ Bf8 22.Bxb6 Qxb6 23.Bxc4 Qg1+ 24.Nc1 Rxc4
25.Qxd6 Qc5 26.Rxf8+ Nxf8 27.Qb8+ Tolnai,T-Stratil,L/Berlin West 1988/TD/1-0
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: 13.h4
By playing this move Ponomariov tranposes the game into a more popular
continuation.He begins to mount pressure on the kingside,threatening to
advance her g-pawn. [ Analysis: in one game I found that White had played
the move 13.g5 ie. 13.g5 Nh5 (which would have taken the game back into a
more popular variation ie): 14.Rg1 Qc7 15.Qf2 Nc4 16.Bxc4 Qxc4 17.f4 Nxf4
She now played a pawn move:
This move may be a novelty for this position.She launches some counterplay
against his queenside,threatening to play ...a4. [ ..... RR13...Qc7 13...Qc7
14.h5 h6 15.g5 hxg5 16.Bxg5 d5 17.Rg1 Rfd8 18.Bd3 d4 19.Nd5 Bxd5 20.exd5
Nbxd5 21.Bh6 Ne8 22.Bxg7 Nxg7 23.h6 Bf6 24.hxg7 Bxg7 25.Qh6 f6 26.Nc5 Rd6
27.Qh7+ Kf8 28.Bc4 Re8 29.Ne4 Re7 30.Bxd5 1-0 Grischuk,A-Ftacnik,L/Calvia
ESP 2004/The Week in Chess 520 (30)] ]
The game continued:
Displacing her knight (a key defensive piece of hers).
The square Junior 9 was going to move the knight to.
He gains a pawn. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 15.Bb5 Nc4 16.Bxc4 Bxc4 (which would
have gained Polgar the two bishops). 17.Na4 Bb5 18.Nb6 Rc6]
The game continued with Polgar playing:
She gains a tempo for her pawn and places the rook on the half-open a-file
where it can be used to attack his king.
The lost tempo. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 16.Nb3 Ng3 17.Rg1 Nxf1 18.Rgxf1 Nc4
19.Qd3 f6 20.Rg1 Qe8 ]
Polgar now played a knight move:
Threatening his rook.
Ponomaraiov gives the "two bishops" to Polgar. Junior 9 evaluates the Polgar
has more compensation for the pawn after this move by Ponomariov. [
Analysis:Junior 9:Worse for him would have been to play17.Rg1: 17.Rg1 Nxf1
18.Rgxf1 Nc4 19.Qd3 f6 20.f4 Nxe3 21.Qxe3 Bc4 ]
Judith now recaptured on b6:
The two players now played:
[ Analysis:Junior 9: 18...g6 19.f4 f5 ( 19...Qc6 20.Bd3 Qb6 21.Rg2 exf4
22.Qxf4 Nh5 23.Qd2) 20.Nd5 Nxf1 21.Nxb6 Nxd2+ 22.Rhxd2 Ra6 23.Nd5 Bxd5
24.Rxd5 fxe4 25.fxe5 e3 And Polgar lacks sufficient compensation for the
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: The next moves in the game were:
She attacks his unprotected rook,winning a tempo. [ Analysis:Junior 9:
19...f6 20.g6 hxg6 21.h5 g5 22.h6 Kh7 23.Rd1 Qc6 ]
The lost tempo.
She continues to attack on the queenside,threatening ....b4. [
Analysis:Junior 9: 20...f5 ]
[ Analysis:Junior 9: 21.Nc1 Bc4 22.b3 b4!? 23.N3e2 Bxe2 24.Qxe2 Qa3 25.Qb5
Ra5 26.Qd7 Ra7© and Polgar would have some compenation for her pawn in the
form of her pressure down the a-file.]
Polgar's next move in the game was:
She now threatens to play...b4. 22.b3 Rfb8 Intending ...b4. [
Analysis:Junior 9: 22...b4!? 23.N3e2 Bxe2 24.Qxe2 Qa3 25.Qb5 Ra7© (and
Polgar would have compensation for the pawn).]
The former World FIDE Chess champion next played the move:
He spends a tempo to prevent her from playing ...b4. [ Analysis:Junior 9:
23.Nd5 Bxd5 24.Qxd5 b4 25.g6 hxg6 26.h5 gxh5 27.Rxh5 Bf6 28.Qxd6 g6 29.Qxa6
Avoiding the loss of tempo associated with moving her other bishop (or
Junior 9 now evaluates that Ponomariov only has a slight edge in the
(Analysis: Threatening ...Qa3 then ....Ra5.)
Increasing the pressure against her d-pawn. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 25.Rg2 Rb5
26.Qd3 g6 27.h5 Ra5 (threatening ...Rxa2) 28.Qxa6 R5xa6 29.hxg6 fxg6]
Polgar next placed her rook on the c-file:
(Now she threatens ...Rc5.)
He offers to exchange queens. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 26.f4 Rc5 27.Qd3 Qa3
28.f5 g6 29.Rf2 Bf8]
Now she moved her queen:
She logically declines to exchange queens (being a pawn down). [
Analysis:Junior 9: 26...Qb6 27.Qf1 Qb7 28.Qg2 Rc3 29.h5 g6 30.Rh1 Ra7 ]
Threatening to play Qd7. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 27.c4 bxc3 28.Rc2 Qc5 29.Ne2
Qf2 30.Rh1! Qg2 31.Rhc1 Qh3 32.Nxc3 Bf8]
Preventing him from playing 28.Qd7. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 27...g6 28.Qd7 Kf8
29.h5 Qa7 30.Qxa7 Rxa7 31.Nd3 Rb7 And Polgar would lack sufficient
compensation for the pawn.]
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: 28.Qe2
In this position, Junior 9 evaluates the Polgar has sufficient compensation
for the pawn.
[ Analysis:Junior 9: 28.Rg2 Rab8 29.Qf1 Rc3 30.f4 exf4 31.Qxf4 Rf8]
Creating the threat of ...Ra6. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 28...Qa3 29.Qb5 Qa7
30.Rg2 Rab8 31.Qa4 Qxa4 32.bxa4 Ra8 33.Rd5 Rxa4 34.Rb5 Rca8 ]
He creates the threat of Rb5. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 29.Qf2 Qa3 30.f4 Rc5
31.fxe5 Rxe5 32.Rd5 Rxd5 33.Rxd5 h6 ]
She now advanced a pawn on her kingside:
Creating an escape square for her king in case she has to move off the back
[ Analysis:(a) 29...h6 30.gxh6 Rac8 31.R5d2 g6 32.Qh2 Bf8 33.h5 ; (b)
29...Qa3 30.Rb5 Bf8 31.Rb7 Rc5 32.Qd2 Rc3 33.Qd5 Rxf3 34.h5 g6 35.hxg6 hxg6
He next played the move:
Threatening to win her b-pawn.
She counters his threat with a more dangerous one ...the idea of ...Rxa2
which would give her a winning position.
He decides to sacrifice his a-pawn, giving up his extra material. (seeing
now that she can capture it enpassant). [ Analysis:Junior 9: 31.Qc4 Bf8
32.Qxb4 Rxa2!? 33.Nxa2 Qxa2+ 34.Kc1 Rc8 35.c4 d5 ]
The game now continued:
Blockading her dangerous pawn.
She gives her bishop more mobility. [ Analysis:Junior 9: 32...Rc8 33.Nb4 Ra5
34.Rxa5 Qxa5 35.Qd2 Qa7 =]
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: 33.Qc4
Now he threatens to play 34.Nb4.
She offers to exchange rooks.
[ Analysis:Junior 9: 34...Qa6 35.Ka2 Rxb5 36.Nxb5 Rc8 37.Rxd6! Qb7 38.Qd5
Rxc2+ 39.Kxa3 Qxd5 40.Rxd5 Be7+ 41.b4 ]
He now played the only good move in the position:
The only good response in reaction to her last move. [ Analysis: (a)
35.Kb2?? a1Q+ 36.Rxa1 Rxa1 ] Polgar now responded by playing:
Activating her bishop at the cost of giving up her extra pawn. [ Analysis:
35...Qf2? would run into: 36.Rb7 d5 37.Nxd5 Kh8 38.Rxf7 ]
The players now played these moves:
36.Rxa5 Bxa5 37.Nd5
[ Analysis:Junior 9: 37.b4!? Bb6 38.Nd5 Bf2 39.Nf6+ Kh8 40.h5 gxh5 41.f4
exf4 42.Nxh5 Qa3 And White has compensation for the pawn.]
For her next move Polgar apparently began to lose the thread of
the position (or was in some time trouble) when she played:
A dubious idea. [ Analysis: (a)Analysis indicates that Polgar had two better
ideas in this position: >=37...Bb6 38.Qc6 Bc5 39.b4 Qa3 40.c3 Kg7=; (b)
>=37...Qb7 38.h5 gxh5 39.f4 exf4 40.Qd4 Bd8 41.Nxf4 Bb6 42.Qc4 ) with
compensation for the material]
The players now played these moves in the
Another dubious idea, perhaps she was in time pressure. [ Analysis:
(a)Better was 39...Qxf3. >=39...Qxf3 40.Nf6+ Kg7 41.Rxd6 Bb4 42.Rd7 Qf2;
(b)It appears that playing ...Bd2 would have saved the game for Judit:
>=39...Bd8 40.Qxd6 Qxc2+ 41.Ka3 Qh2 42.Kb4 Re8 43.Qc6 Rf8=]
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: Now Ponomariov played a capture on d6:
He once again goes a pawn up in material.
Guarding the f6-square.
[ Analysis:It would be worse for her if she had moved her king to g7:
41...Kg7?! 42.Qxe5 Bxf6 43.Qxf6+ Kg8 ]
The two players next played these moves:
Gaining a tempo for her pawn.
The lost tempo.Now Judit appears to commit an
oversight when she played:
A mistake. [ Analysis:Better was the move 43...Qh6: 43...Qh6 44.Qxe5 Qf8
45.Qe7 Re8 46.Qxf8+ Kxf8 47.b4 Rc8 ]
Ponomariov responded to her move by playing:
Creating the threat of Ra1.
With his next move Ponomariov played a check:
He forces off the rooks. [ Analysis: A better idea for Ponomariov which
would have lead to a quick win was the move 45.Rd7: 45.Rd7! Kh7 46.Qxf7+ Kh6
47.Qg7+ Kg5 48.f7 Qc5 49.f4+ Kxf4 50.Qf6+ Kg4 51.Qxg6+ Kh4 52.Qf6+ Kg4 ]
Returning to the moves played in the game:
The only move.
|Feb-14-05|| ||Albertan: 47.Qe7
Threatening to capture her f-pawn, the players now played these moves next:
A blunder or an act of desperation? She now threatens ...Qc3-Qxc2 with
chances for a draw.
[ Analysis:Better for the moment (however not saving the game for her) was
the idea 48...Qc3: 48...Qc3 49.Qxf7+ Kh6 50.Qf8+ Kg5 51.Qe7 Qxc2+ 52.Ka3
Qc1+ 53.Kb4 Qd2+ 54.Kb5 Qe2+ 55.Kb6 Qf2+ 56.Kb7 Qxf3 57.f7+ ]
These moves were next played in the game:
Forcing her king up the board.
Offering to exchange queens which would win him the game, as obviously after
recapturing on e7 she could not stop his pawn.
[ Analysis 52.Ka1 Qc1+ 53.Ka2 Qc2+ 54.Ka3 Qc1+ 55.Kb4 Qd2+ 56.Kb5 Qe2+
57.Kb6 Qxf3 58.f7+ Kg4 ]
The game now concluded with these moves being played:
52...Qc1+ 53.Kb4 Qd2+ 54.Kb5 Qd3+ 55.Ka5 Qc3+
Judit probably must have resigned here: Analysis by Junior 9: 56...Qa3+
57.Kb6 Qe3+ 58.Kc6 Qxf3 59.f7+ 1-0 1-0
|Mar-05-05|| ||THE pawn: Thanks Albertan, but I don't understand move 39 by Judit. Someone can develop a bit more? |
|Apr-09-08|| ||diabloprancer: What if on move 40 black guards the f6 square with Qxg5 instead of Bd8 ?|
|Apr-09-08|| ||Karpova: <diabloprancer: What if on move 40 black guards the f6 square with Qxg5 instead of Bd8 ?>|
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White plays 41.Nf6+ Kg7 42.Nxh7 pinning Queen and rook (and if 42...Kxh7 43.Qxf8) and White wins the exchange.
|Jul-22-10|| ||YouRang: It certainly looks like Polgar lost this by taking her queen on a dubious pawn-grabbing venture on the kingside.
After the dust settled, white's king (which had been under quite a bit of pressure earlier) was quite relaxed with a couple passed pawns on the queenside, and black's forces looking out of position. |
In fact, white clearly was on the offensive, and black's hands were full defending the kingside while white had a pleasant pawn pushing ahead on the queenside.
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