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Eduard Nemeth vs Chess Tiger (Computer)
"Let the Chips Fall Where They May" (game of the day Jan-18-2005)
Blitz20',P600,96Mb (2001) (rapid), ?
Sicilian Defense: General (B20)  ·  1-0

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Jan-18-05
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  chessgames.com: Equally ironic is this incredible coincidence: we received an email from Mr. Nemeth just now, and he informs us that today is his birthday. Happy Birthday, Eduard!
Jan-18-05  Skylark: 2. Na3 was designed to take the machine out of it's opening book and force it to calculate at a very early stage. Deep Fritz, without the Opening book, plays the opening 1. d4 Nf6 2. Qd3. Obviously Mr Nemeth knew a few tricks on how to fight a computer.
Apr-17-05  drukenknight: Not only does 2 Na3 seem like a good way to play vs computer, I seem to be getting some pretty good games out of this vs humans. There are other games (about 5) in the chess lab data base, but they play d4 right away which removes alot of the guess work about what white will do.

I have found several things: 1) black will play some pawn move after Na3 and see what I will do, usually c3 is a good early move to inhibit blacks QN; c3 is good for closed game but I am not commited to a closed game, and will open it when black is about to break out the Q side; try to play f3 in response to q side pawn movement and Bb7; after f3 I try to get in Ne2 to set up d4, d4 played only when black is about to get q side counterplay with his pawn roller. WIth that mind, here is typical game:

1 e4 c5
2. Na3 e6
3. c3 a6
4. f3 Nc6
5. Ne2 b5
6. d4 cxd4
7. Nxd4 Bxa3
8. bxa3 Bb7
9. Rb1 this is a pretty good set up.

Apr-28-05  drukenknight: another one for the sicilian-drunk knight attack. What I noticed is that I am seeing white's B and pawn formation (seen after 4 moves) more and more and I seem to be using it when I desire a slow positional game, (like this sicilian) but cannot/do not want to fianchetto.

Call it a central fianchetto:

1. e4 c5
2. Na3 Nc6
3. c3 Nf6
4. Bd3 Ne5
5. Bc2 d5
6. d4 cxd4
7. cxd4 Nc6
8. e5 Nd7
9. Nf3 e6
10. O-O Be7
11. Nb5

this game is still in issue, a slight edge to white perhaps, but a lot of room for attacking play.

Apr-28-05  sharpnova: white has little almost no advantage here.. and central fianchetto is not a term and if it were this wouldn't be an example of it
Apr-29-05  drukenknight: that makes no sense...Obviously it is a coined term, I made it up. Or didnt you get that?
Jun-26-05  farrooj: This is the famous Nemeth Gambit.
Maybe Adams should have read the Tim krabbe page (http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/...) and use it against hydra :)
Jun-26-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eric Schiller: Nemeth's gambit it certainly original. I've added it to the Caxton list, but don't have a name for 1.e4 c5 2.Na3. It seems to have been played first by a player named Kronenberg, and on some Internet games by a fellow named Berger, so I'm going with "Kronenberger" until someone comes up with something better. The gambit is indeed only useful against computers. Here is the earliest 2.Na3 game I can find. It wouldn't surprise me to learn there are earlier examples.

[Event "Wch16 sf3"]
[Site ""]
[Date "1985"]
[Round ""]
[White "Kronberg Sven-Ake (SWE)"]
[Black "Bonay Toscas Santiago (ESP)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B20"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source "MegaCorr3"]

1.e4 c5 2.Na3 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Nc4 Nf6 5.Ne3 Qd8 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Bb5 Bd7 8.c3 e6 9.O-O Qb6 10.Qe2 Be7 11.Nc4 Qc7 12.a4 a6 13.Bxc6 Bxc6 14.Nfe5 Bd5 15.a5 Bxc4 16.Nxc4 Nd5 17.d3 O-O 18.f4 Rad8 19.Bd2 Bd6 20.Qf2 Nf6 21.Rae1 Be7 22.f5 Bd6 23.Qh4 Rde8 24.Re3 exf5 25.Rh3 Re2 26.Bg5 Qc6 27.Rff3 Rfe8 28.Bxf6 Re1+ 29.Rf1 Rxf1+ 30.Kxf1 gxf6 31.Qxh7+ Kf8 32.Nxd6 1-0

Aug-01-05  Vaguerant: The majority of Nemeth's "games" are played at his home on his PC (very slow hardware by today's standards) with fast time controls, limited hash tables, unknown opening book, and who knows what other crippling settings. It's also interesting to note that Herr Nemeth plays the same lines over and over again until he finds the program's weaknesses. I think just about any average "B" player can accomplish the same thing. What you don't see are the hundreds and hundreds of games he loses for every "win" he manages. What a joke!
Aug-01-05
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  Sneaky: I've mentioned on other pages that I have a friend who works out very complicated games against Fritz (et al) with the Halloween Attack. The computer thinks its winning right up to the bitter end, and then it loses. He takes back several moves each game to reach the desired effect, but nevertheless he lets Fritz chew on the positions full-blast, trying to get the best computer responses to his ideas.
Oct-31-05  Kingsider: If this game were a painting it would be some bizzaro world cubism job.No"realist"would go down this line,would they? Duchamp, move over. Far out!
Dec-20-05  Frankly: Interestingly, in the Russian Championship today, Zvaginsev played 2Na3 against Khalifman. They continued Nc6 Bb5. It ended 1-0.
Dec-21-05  EmperorAtahualpa: On this page we have <drukenknight>'s last post. After that he has disappeared! Where has he gone? What happened to him? It's a shame our community has lost one of its oldest members!
Dec-22-05  THE pawn: I hope he didn't left like benjamin lau did.
Dec-24-05  chesscrazy: 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 is very useful against computers, like <Eric Schiller> said. I have researched some chess games in that position and they are almost all against computers. Almost all of them (maybe 99%, being sarcastic) ended in "1-0".
Dec-24-05  csmath: I think you all need to read this, which is very, very precise description of what Nemeth does:

<The majority of Nemeth's "games" are played at his home on his PC (very slow hardware by today's standards) with fast time controls, limited hash tables, unknown opening book, and who knows what other crippling settings. It's also interesting to note that Herr Nemeth plays the same lines over and over again until he finds the program's weaknesses. I think just about any average "B" player can accomplish the same thing. What you don't see are the hundreds and hundreds of games he loses for every "win" he manages. What a joke!>

Dec-24-05  ughaibu: Reputable source(?) no doubt.
Feb-26-06  THE pawn: <csmath><ughaibu><wannabe>

To those that wonder if it was blitz, if the computers were weak. Then here's my anwser. I tried to play against my own computer after 7.Qh5+. Already Gambit Tiger makes an evaluation mistake. My computer played Kg8 and accepted to lose a knight ( still he had shown an advantage of -2.01) But let's all suppose my computer played 7...kf6, and that's what I made him do, then here's how the game continued when I played against him. I gave him 30 seconds/move while I gave myself 5 minutes/move:

7. Qh5+ Kf6 Qh4+ Kf7 Qh5+ Ke6 Qh3+ Kd5 Qf5+ e5 c4+ dxc3 bxc3 Nc5 Be3 Na5 Qxe5+ Kc6 Rd1 Qe7 Nf3 b6 Qd5+ Kc7 Ne5 Kb8 0-0 dxc6 Qxc6 Nxf6 Kb7

and I no longer have any attack possible. He won.

So basically, here are two shocking blunders by what should be a strong computer: <8...g5??> is absolutely ridiculous.Kf7 or Ke6 is a lot stronger. <Ne5?> leads to its doom. And that's all it took to beat it.

Feb-26-06  THE pawn: Was Nemeth using weak processor? <<Yes>> Was Nemeth not allowing the comp. to have opening books? <<Yes>>

Jun-17-06  whatthefat: I do wonder what Nemeth planned in case of Fritz 8's preference 7...Kg8 (other than resigning). I see no compensation for white in the line 8.Qd5+ e6 9.Qxe4 Bb4+. After the continuation 7...Ke6?, Nemeth has wins to his name from 2001, against Hiarcs 7.32, Fritz 6, Crafty 18.10 and Deep Fritz. Strange that they all made the same mistake.
Dec-06-06  beenthere240: <whatthefat>
This reminds me of the Krejcik Gambit in the Alekhine defense, which I read about in Eric Shiller's book on Gambits for White. 1.e4 Nf6 2. Bc4 Nxe4 3. Bxf7+ Kf7 4. Qh5+ and if a greedy computer brings its kind out to to save its knight, it loses similarly to this game. However, unless you goad them, most computers play 4....g7 (or 4... Kg8), conceed the knight and are content with a superior center.
May-31-08  wweiss: Nemeth uses the computer's own greed against it in this beautiful game. I think that most humans would be comfortable with the one pawn advantage after 7...Kg8 8. Qd5+ e6 9. Qxe4. But the computer plays to hold onto its extra piece and falls prey to a well executed attack.
Jul-23-09  birthtimes: After 8. Qd5+ e6 9. Qxe4 Bb4+ 10. Ke2 White can bring his Knight and Bishop off the first rank, move his a1 Rook to the kingside, then push his kingside pawns forward in an attack against Black's King. That seems to be enough compensation for a pawn.
Sep-30-09  mrandersson: Its kind of funny but why do people stick up for the computers? it was a slow comp no opening book yes but it still plays good chess most of the time.Its like rybka these days every 1 worships the ground it walks on.
Apr-08-14  gabriel112000: I wonder if Nemeth can do this against Houdini.
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