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Veselin Topalov vs Judit Polgar
Corus Group A (2005), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 10, Jan-26
Queen's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Check Variation Intermezzo Line (E15)  ·  0-1



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Jan-26-05  Catfriend: Congratulations! It was fun!
Jan-26-05  fgh: Congratulations to ariel for predicting polgar to win.
Jan-26-05  ranchogrande: <to all> after
this game we all now why it is called
QUEENS Indian !
Jan-26-05  weepingwarrior: Can someone help me understand moves 24 and 25 please?
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  Gypsy: <  weepingwarrior: Can someone help me understand moves 24 and 25 please? > I think the consencus conjecture here is that Topalov had planned 24.Qxd7 and overlooked 24...Qe4. After that he was just trying to find compensation for his piece in an attack down the g-file.

The game turned Polgar way after the 21.e3?! Qe7! But Topalov made things easier because of his blind spot.

Jan-26-05  arielbekarov: <weepingwarrior> I am not the right person to do it as my knowledge is far too limited, but I think that Veselin Topalov miscalculated the force of his attack. He had a strong possible attack, and Judit Polgar's knight was badly placed on d7. This knight was an obstacle for her. The black king was also in a vulnerable position.
So, Topalov thought that sacrificing the bishop will make it possible for a decisive attack. But, Topalov didn't get the chance to coordinate what looked like a devastating attack, and little by little Polgar was able to escape the danger. And when she on move 26 was able to move her knight to square b8, she started with a very strong attack on the queenside, which resulted in that she was winning thanks to more and better placed material.

This is how I see it. But, later I will analyse the game more carefully. It would be interesting to hear more opinions, though.

So, take my little analyse for what it is. One has to start somewhere. Ariel

Jan-26-05  arielbekarov: <> A lot of thanks for making this day by showing such a wonderful game.

And a lot of thanks to all of you who I was able to kibitzing with.

It was great pleasure and I have learned a lot.
Thanks !

Jan-26-05  arielbekarov: <fgh> Thank you !
It was very nice to see Judit Polgar win.
But it is two needed to make a real great game.
So, Topalov has a very important part in this piece of art that was created. But, I am very happy for Judit Polgar !
Jan-26-05  acirce: The TWIC report is up at and confirms my speculations that <here is what Topalov missed in his calculations: 24.Qxd7 Qe4!>

However, instead of 24.gxf4 Kh8 <Now it's game over> (all TWIC gives) it was entirely possible and much better to play it anyway: 24.Qxd7 Qe4 25.Rg1! Qxc2 26.Bf5 Qd1+ 27.Kg2 Qh5 28.Be6+ Kh8 29.Bf7 and White restores the material balance. After something like 29..Re7 30.Qxe7 Bxe7 31.Bxh5 fxe3 32.fxe3 they could have agreed to draw with a clear conscience. Or 26..Rc7 27.gxf4+ Kh8 28.Qxe8 Qd1+ 29.Kg2 Rg7+ 30.Kh3 Qxg1 31.Qxf8+ Rg8 32.Qxf6+ with a draw.

Seems they both missed that in the post-game analysis as well since the reports are based on them.

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  Gypsy: <acirce> <However, instead of 24.gxf4 Kh8 <Now it's game over> (all TWIC gives) it was entirely possible and much better to play it anyway: 24.Qxd7 Qe4 25.Rg1! Qxc2 26.Bf5 Qd1+ 27.Kg2 Qh5 28.Be6+ Kh8 29.Bf7 and White restores the material> Fun lines. But far from the end of the story, I think.

First, after <24.Qxd7 Qe4 25.Rg1! Qxc2 26.Bf5 Qd1+ 27.Kg2 Qh5 28.Be6+ Kh8 29.Bf7 ...After something like 29..Re7 30.Qxe7 ...> there also are some desperado intermezos, something like 30...Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 fxg3+, and only now 32...Bxe7.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, one should look also at earlier kamikadze-like diversions after: <24.Qxd7 Qe4 25.Rg1!> fxe3 26.Bf5 Rc7 (and/or e2+) ...

Jan-26-05  acirce: <Gypsy>You're right of course, I just gave a couple of illustrative lines. I think it's a draw with best play, and there are several lines leading there.

<there also are some desperado intermezos, something like 30...Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 fxg3+, and only now 32...Bxe7>

Indeed. But it changes nothing after 32.Kxg3 Bxe7 33.Be6 - for example - the opposite-coloured bishops and White's well-placed pieces make it an easy draw.

<25..fxe3 26.Bf5 Rc7 (and/or e2+)>

Thanks for pointing this out. After 26..e2+ 27.Ke1 Rc7 28.Qxc7 Qxf5 29.Qxc6 seems forced but then White should be fine (I think). Also critical is your <26..Rc7> when after 27.Qxc7 Qxf5, 28.Qxc6 is no good because of 28..Qh3+ 29.Ke1 exf2+ 30.Kxf2 Qf5+ 31.Kg2 Qe4+ and White is in danger, but 28.Re2 seems unproblematic.

Jan-26-05  OneArmedScissor: This game is great. Great stuff by Polgar and Topalov. I'm extremely impressed by the way Topalov played, even if he lost. The way he fought through the entire game says something.
Jan-26-05  themindset: nice line acirce, almost impossible to find that over the board i would think.
Jan-27-05  sergeidave: so... is 23.Qf5 a blunder?
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  Gypsy: <acirce> I guess my aim here was just to further highlight some of the neat tactics hidden in the position. In this case I do not that much agonize about what was the objective truth about the game as I just care about the game's trully remarkable tactical themes. The mutual strikes and countersrikes, forks, cross-pins, x-ray defenses, nearly smothered kings -- it all strikes a very pleasing chord.
Jan-27-05  resty: what's the point of 5...Bb4+, just to pull it back at 6...Be7 (help please)
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  Willem Wallekers: <what's the point of 5...Bb4+> No big deal, just a subtlety,
it lures the white bishop to d2,
where it is not very well placed
(you can see it move to g5 later),
and where it blocks the queen.
Jan-27-05  square dance: <midnightduffer> wtf are you rambling about? and your profile wtf is that about? stalking?? please explain.
Jan-27-05  ughaibu: Square Dance: maybe the profile is an advert for the effectiveness of Sparks.
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  cu8sfan: Sparks? What's Sparks? Thanks.
Jan-27-05  ughaibu: Cu8sfan: It's a drink, presumably caffeine laden, mentioned in the profile.
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  cu8sfan: OK, thanks. I agree with <square dance> by the way - without the swearing.
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  Open Defence: hey i don't know why midnight duffer is taking my name in a post which does not make sense to me, is this a moderated medium ? if so i request that his post be deleted
Jan-27-05  euripides: <Open Dev> I noticed Midnight Duffer do this to another kibitzer yesterday. Whoever <MD> is, they appear to be either making unpleasant comments for fun, or in need of some professional help.
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  cu8sfan: Well he's not bothering me anymore, I've had enough of him already.
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